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Doubles Tennis Tipping (DTT) Managers Thread-- New season, new managers needed

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#1 · (Edited)
This is the thread were people , managers can ask all kind of questions about DTT. Also the DTT calendar will be made here .

WEEK 1: Brisbane/Chennai/Doha Manager: 156mphserve Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 2: Auckland/Sydney Manager: kengyin Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 3/4: Australian Open Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 5: Zagreb/Johannesburg/Santiago Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 6: Rotterdam/Costa do Sauipe/San Jose Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 7: Memphis/Marseille/Buenos Aires Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 8: Dubai/Acapulco/Delray Beach Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
 
#51 ·
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I have another question related to the Entry List for DTT Doubles. In ATP Rules, we have the following:


http://www.frankymoser.de/ATP_Rulebook.pdf

Page 76:

Doubles Main Draw. Direct Acceptance shall be in following order: Teams composed of players in either the INDESIT ATP Entry Rankings (Singles) or ATP Doubles Entry Rankings (Doubles). The combined position of the two players (using best Singles or Doubles Entry Ranking) shall be added together and the total used to determine the direct acceptances.

...

Seeds: Seeded teams will be determined by using the combined doubles rankings of the 2 players. Ties shall be broken as follows:
- The teams with the fewest events played is positioned higher.
- the teams with the highest number of points is positioned higher.

Should we try to stick with ATP Rules ? As long as there are no qualifying matches in Doubles DTT, this has no impact (Direct entry order is useless) but, who knows, if one day, we have to do that, it could be nice to clarify the rules. ;)
 
#58 ·
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Trucul I will be away 3 weeks after Wimbledon.

My next tournament will be
WEEK 17: 28 July - 3 August : DTT Cincinatti
but I probably cant sign in. :sad: what can I do? :help:
OK, I will add you in Entry List Cincinnati. ;)
 
#60 ·
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Now im Tzar! (Jeronimo)
 
#64 ·
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I hope everything is fine with my managing. It's the first TT tourney I manage
You are doing great :worship:

The only thing I'm afraid for is that the OOP was late yesterday and there are not many people who send in picks today, but we'll see that later today

Thanks for mananging

:wavey:
 
#71 ·
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We are searching for managers ...

WEEK 1 Doha (.................)
WEEK 2 Sydney (...............)
WEEK 3 Australian Open (........................)
WEEK 4 Johannesburg (................)
WEEK 5 Rotterdam (.................)
WEEK 6 Memphis (.................)
WEEK 7 Dubai (..................)
 
#72 ·
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I can manage Doha to open the second season of DTT. ;)

I can also manage Australian Open as well if nobody volunteers.
 
#75 ·
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:wavey: I've changed my username (I was marr)


I wont be playing DTT in January, cause I'll be on holidays, but when I come back in February you can count me on managing something, not sure what would it be yet though
 
#77 ·
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:wavey: I've changed my username (I was marr)


I wont be playing DTT in January, cause I'll be on holidays, but when I come back in February you can count me on managing something, not sure what would it be yet though
:yeah: for the manager commitment.

I wish you in advance nice holidays. ;)
 
#79 ·
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Could I manage Rotterdam? The rules are the same as TT, right?
 
#80 ·
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Could I manage Rotterdam? The rules are the same as TT, right?
Sure. Yes, this is the same as TT (except maybe some slight exceptions to be discussed in the coming days (see the link in my signature)) :yeah:
 
#81 ·
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Alright! Than this game can be held every week! I'm prepared to manage many more tournaments.
 
#82 · (Edited)
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Here is the updated status:

WEEK 1 Doha Manager: trucul Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 2 Sydney Manager: Boarder35m Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 3 Australian Open Manager: trucul Co-Manager: vmbf Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 4 Johannesburg Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 5 Rotterdam Manager: Yves. Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 6 Memphis Manager: kai. Assistant Manager: TBD
WEEK 7 Dubai Manager: TBD Assistant Manager: TBD

NoFroz is volunteer to manager one Week in February.
I have added a Co-Manager for AO (for instance, one for DTT Singles, one for DTT Doubles).
Assistant Managers are required as backup of the manager and to collect his picks and the ones of his opponents. DTT Board (Drikke, trucul, Boarder35m) can help for that and to answer any questions during tournaments coming from DTT Managers (especially new ones).
 
#83 ·
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There has to be an assistant manager for every tournament?
 
#84 ·
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There has to be an assistant manager for every tournament?
Yes because, since there is one DTT tournament per week (so far, as long as we don't have more players), the DTT Manager plays the tournament. So, assistant manager is there at least to collect his picks and picks of his opponents.
 
#85 ·
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Alright. So you choose one tournament each week. In this case cause it's a 500 pointer.
 
#86 ·
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Alright. So you choose one tournament each week. In this case cause it's a 500 pointer.
The name of the DTT tournament selected is the one with highest prize money but picks may include all tournaments being played that week (if this is compatible with timezone). For instance, for week 1, Doha is the name of DTT Tournament but it will include matches from Chennai and Brisbane. But, we try to include picks from the same timezone approximately, so I guess that in the first days, only matches of Doha and Chennai will have to be picked. For Brisbane, one Final and maybe Semi-Final will have to be picked.

But, if some DTT qualies have to be played (which was rarely the case in 2008 but I feel that in 2009, more players play DTT), we might consider having day 1 at Brisbane for DTT qualies.

Regarding points award, this is one of the topics for discussion (see link in my signature).
 
#87 ·
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What are the ranking points for 500 class tournaments?
 
#88 ·
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What are the ranking points for 500 class tournaments?
Not yet decided. Will be part of the discussions in this thread:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=134036

My proposal is following one:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7817846&postcount=2

If you want to give your opinion, could you please give it in the discussion thread above ? :p

This thread will be just the summary of the decision that will be taken.
 
#89 ·
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Regarding changes of pseudo for 2009, here is what I have captured for the moment:

Kielian becomes Jens
Marr becomes NoFroz
kai_soad becomes kai.

If you decide to change your pseudo in this forum, could you please communicate the new name in this thread so that I can update rankings with new names ?
 
#91 ·
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Trucul, I can be your Co-Manager in Australia Open. :D
 
#94 ·
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Hello everybody,

it seems that I have seen many complaints in the previous days related to new DTT rules + some top DTT players considering retirement (diego36arg today but also Björki, Drikke being very busy, Alex having some difficulties to manage Sydney, ...).

I think it is time to find a way to be less time consuming for this game for DTT managers and players. Like the majority of you, I am also a TT player (I am also trying women TT since beginning of year) but also PAW, FITD player and I don't think that DTT is one of the priority games (but maybe this is the case, I would be very glad about that).

That is why I think it is time (based on our experience since beginning of the year with new rules) to reconsider DTT rules and maybe the way this game is played.

Do not hesitate to suggest some othe enhancements (even the craziest ones !) with still an objective to keep DTT attractive but less time consuming.

You will find hereunder some thoughts I have.
 
#95 ·
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First thing is about DTT tournaments themselves. The average number of players is currently around 30 per week which is good, but with some players not sending picks on time in the early rounds. Note also the complexity for DTT Managers to know whether or not they should set up qualies and on which matches should qualies be based based on 3 OOP of tournaments of the week. That is a real nightmare, especially if timezone of tournaments is not compatible with timezone of manager.

What I would suggest is following thing:

- be inspire to reality. In real life, ATP doubles players can be spread into 2 categories:
- the Singles players who consider Doubles as a way to warm up for their singles matches and as a way to keep an interest and an objective in the tournament they attend if they are out very soon in Singles.
- the Doubles specialists who do not play singles at all (or at a very modest level).

In DTT, I guess this is the same as with TT. Some DTT players consider this game as a good way to play TT once they are out of TT competition, some others consider DTT as a regular activity with great interest because they are well ranked in DTT and have a poor rank in TT (or are suspended in TT like diego36arg like year).

In real life, Doubles matches include only 16 spots for a tournament so that the number of matches is limited.

That is why I would suggest to have tournament entries (ATP 200 and 500) with only 16 players (14 being accepted in MD and 2 qualifiers) for DTT Singles and 8 pairs for DTT Doubles (7 accepted in MD + 1 qualifier). And the picks would only be based on the specific tournament.

For instance, this week, there would have been one DTT Sydney based on picks of Sydney matches and one DTT Auckland based on picks of Auckland matches. Entry acceptance would be the same as the one of TT.
For weeks where there are ATP 1000, entries would be 32 players (28 accepted in MD + 4 qualifiers).
For Grand Slam weeks, 64 players in MD.

This would allow in for ATP 200 / 500 to start tournament a little bit later (on Monday ?) for players being in MD and focus on TT matches on Monday. For DTT manager, this would be less matches to handle but, of course, this would require one manager per tournament, so more than 1 manager per week.
 
#96 ·
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Then, regarding deadline and publishment of diffs, I think we all agree rule set in place in TT is unfair and we should come back to rule of last year.

I would like to have a small update anyway to the rule of last year to ease the job of DTT managers.

Assume you have following OOP in a tournament:

14:00 CET: Federer vs. Nadal
followed by Nestor/Zimonjic vs. Bryan/Bryan.

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Deadline will be by default "when matches start" but starting from 14:00 CET, if all picks are available to the DTT Manager, it will not be possible for DTT players to change their picks, which means that, once DTT Manager has picks from everybody, he can publish diffs without waiting for matches to start.

Of course, if some diffs are missing, DTT Manager will have to wait for matches to start before publishing diffs.

Regarding late picks, we can come back to rule of last year (consider late picks only for matches having already started).

In order not to penalize doubles partner who has sent picks, I am also thinking about a joker rule which would be "if your partner has not sent picks or sends late picks", his picks can be replaced by your picks (for doubles only, not singles). However, your partner will not get DTT points for this match (only you) if your team wins.
 
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