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How the US government armed Mexican drug cartels

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#1 ·
On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

Univision News identified a total of 57 more previously unreported firearms that were bought by straw purchasers monitored by ATF during Operation Fast and Furious, and then recovered in Mexico in sites related to murders, kidnappings, and at least one other massacre.

As part of Operation Fast and Furious, ATF allowed 1,961 guns to "walk" out of the U.S. in an effort to identify the high profile cartel leaders who received them. The agency eventually lost track of the weapons, and they often ended up in the hands of Mexican hit men , including those who ordered and carried out the attack on Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juarez where 18 young men were killed on September 2, 2009.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision...vernment-armed/story?id=17352694#.UGtMBVFnxLd
nice
 
#3 ·
do u always believe what u read? i never do..
 
#6 · (Edited)
How much time do you actually spend digging up these amazing scandals?
of course. this never happened.

here's a suggestion: open your eyes.

Since the end of Operation Fast and Furious, related firearms have continued to be discovered in criminal hands. As reported in September 2011, the Mexican government stated that an undisclosed number of guns found at about 170 crime scenes were linked to Fast and Furious.[43] U.S. Representative Darrell Issa (R–CA–49) estimated that more than 200 Mexicans were killed by guns linked to the operation.[44] Reflecting on the operation, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the United States government is "...losing the battle to stop the flow of illegal guns to Mexico,"[45] and that the effects of Operation Fast and Furious will most likely continue to be felt for years, as more walked guns appear at Mexican crime scenes.[46]

In April 2011, a large cache of weapons, 40 traced to Fast and Furious but also including military-grade weapons difficult to obtain legally in the US such as an anti-aircraft machine gun and grenade launcher, was found in the home of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a prominent Sinaloa Cartel member, in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico. Torres Marrufo was indicted, but evaded law enforcement for a brief time.[47][48] Finally, on February 4, 2012 Marrufo was arrested by the Mexican Police.[49]

On May 29, 2011 four Mexican Federal Police helicopters attacked a cartel compound, where they were met with heavy fire, including from a .50 caliber rifle. According to a report from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, this rifle is likely linked to Fast and Furious.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
 
#4 ·
Of course, if those guns had not got into the hands of the cartels there would be no drug murders in Mexico because the cartels would be completely without guns.

You really need to start your own website for silly threads. How much time do you actually spend digging up these amazing scandals?
 
#5 · (Edited)
Of course, if those guns had not got into the hands of the cartels there would be no drug murders in Mexico because the cartels would be completely without guns.
did you even read the whole article? did you check the sources? keep trusting the government in your foolish authority trusting attitude.

"Many weapons cross the border and enter Mexico, but that [Fast and Furious] number, quantity and type of weapons had quite an impact in the war in this area" Jose Wall, an ATF agent stationed in Tijuana from 2009 to 2011, told Univision News.
 
#15 ·
or we could talk about the Contribution of Chileans to the world b/c besides The two winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature i dont remember alot.
 
#20 ·
You are missing the point.

If Chile (or any other country) was as powerful as US, they'd be doing the same thing, so save your outrage for the sheep.

Stop living in your little idealistic world.
 
#32 ·
Hm, I read the book "The Power of the Dog" by Don Winslow earlier this year, so for sure this is no new information and probably also not worth to start a thread only with the purpose of blaming US policies for all evil in the world.

States who actively engage themselves in the world sometimes make things worse, states who never do anything must always be blamed for the consequences of their inactivity. So I guess Chile, a bit like Germany (who often try to go a different way), should really be blamed a lot.

Of course you can have dreams about a better world, but you have to be sure that your world really is possible, otherwise it stays a dream and you are so much occupied with it that you can´t see the real problems which lie before you.

Yes, one could have wished that the policies of the USA were more directed to improve the living standard of the average inhabitant of the country they gave money to (especcialy given the problems the huge amount of poor, badly educated young men in a couple of islamic states can create for Israel), but the money was given in a historical context and for sure the sowjet intention didn´t go towards a general improvement of the living standard either.
 
#36 ·
so, in this thread i pointed out just one of the corrupt operations of the US of A in their war on drugs. When MTF' usual right wing contingent whined that it couldn't be true and that the US goverment would never do something that wrong, I cited the sources and showed them that they were wrong again. Then, they in their obvious frustration chose to divert the topic of the thread and attack the messenger, calling me a hater of all things western, as if that had anything to do with the content of this thread at all! Then the usual israeli zionist poster girl of this board went on a rant about the israeli-palestinian conflict, who knows for what related reason with the actual thread topic of discussion!

Now I ask you, not-so-partisan reader, who are the clowns here?
 
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