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Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Their rivalry)

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#1 ·
Just something I thought about :p

let's think about it this way:

Fed's Australian Open = Djoko's Wimbledon.
Fed's Roland Garros = Djoko's Roland Garros.
Fed's Wimbledon = Djoko's Australian Open.
Fed's US Open = Djoko's US Open.

2003 & 2008 - First GS for each player
Both players won their first GS, and in their 'best' tournament of the four.

2004 & 2011 - First year of absolute Dominance
Both won 3 Slams in those year, and were more dominant than any other player on the tour. Also, the only Slam they didn't win was their worst Slam - RG. I know Fed's done it in 2004 which is of course right the next year after 2003, and Novak had a two year break, but oh well...

2005 & 2012 - A little less successful than the previous year
Only two Slams for Roger: His best one, and his second best. Novak has already won his best slam this year, so he now needs to win the USO :p

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I'm kidding of course, but this is just interesting :)
 
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#4 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Umm... Apart from the EPIC 2005 AO SF loss (one of the ACTUAL "non-media hyped" greatest matches of all time) -- Federer's 2005 season was phenomenal:

ATP Tournaments Played: 15
ATP Record: 80-4 Tournament
Titles: 11 (Wimbledon, Qatar Open, ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament, Dubai Tennis Championship, Pacific Life Open, NASDAQ-100 Open, Masters Series Hamburg, Gerry Weber Open, US Open, Western & Southern Financial Group Masters, Thailand Open)
Hardcourt Record: 53-2
Clay Record: 16-2
Grass Record: 12-0
Overall Record (including non-ATP events): 81-4
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Djok's 2012 does not even come close thus far.
 
#10 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

In many ways, Federer's 2005 was his best year as far as overall play is concerned along with 2006. Federer's BH was better in 2006, but Federer's FH was more potent in 2005. Federer's 2005 and McEnroe's 1984 are really the closest anyone has come to being undefeated.

AO loss to Safin: Federer held match points and won more points than Safin in the match.

MC loss to Gasquet: Federer held match point and won more points than Gasquet in the match.

RG loss to Nadal: clear cut loss although Federer did lead 3-1 in the 4th set.

TMC lost to Nalbandian: Led two sets to none, and then came back to 6-5, 30-0 in the fifth set.

So, in his four defeats, he could have easily won three of them. He had some close victories as well, but his none of his opponents won more points than he did in a match that Federer won, nor did they hold match point against him. He did have close wins that could have gone either way against Ljubicic and Ferrero and there was that come from behind win against Nadal in Miami.
 
#11 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Fed was superb in 2005. He finally looked like he was prepared for an RG success but Nadal really shocked him big time with his clay game, while at Wimbledon he dropped only one set to Kiefer and beat Hewitt and Roddick in straight sets. The USO Agassi gave it absolutely everything he had and it was a stunning three sets of tennis but the old man had no more to give in the fourth.

Fed was superb in two of those defeats to Safin and Nalbandian and could have easily won either but both of his opponents were just scintillating and deserved their victory. Two wonderful matches. 2005 was high quality.
 
#12 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

this thread is pretty silly and if anything OP (although your mostly just having fun) this makes you lose respect on this forum.

Federer had a phenominal season in 2005 and this season Djokovic already has multiple more losses than Federer did in his ENTIRE season of 05'. not to mention the contrasting TALENT and style of each player. really kind of dumb, as though you expect Djokovic to dominate the way in which Federer has
 
#13 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Except Djokovic is 1 year older than Fed 2005, has played more matches and is half a grinder.

Also, Federer lost 4 matches in 2005. Djokovic has lost 6 and counting, slowcourt season is over.

Djokovic has also won a grand total of 2 titles this year, Federer in 2005 had won 8 titles by now.
 
#15 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Guess we wait til the USO to see.

And I see many parallels in their careers, but Nole will do less. I think his career may be an echo of Fed's, the same patterns, but with slightly more mental toughness to accompany a LOT less talent.
 
#16 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Yeah not even close.. So far, Novak has won only 2 titles and has lost 3 finals. Compare that with Federer who had 7 titles by Wimbledon, and had lost no finals. Of course, technically Novak could have a stellar rest of the year and make it a more "comparable" year to Federer's 2005, as there are plenty of tournaments left especially indoors whereas in 2005 Federer had that slight ankle problem which kept him out of most of the indoor season.
 
#17 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Would be great if he could produce a WTF of the same sublime quality as Nalbandian vs Federer back in 2005 :D
 
#23 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

Oh come on you people...You don't expect it to be exactly the same, do you now?

Why so serious? :lol:
Of course not, because achievement wise, it is not even close either way.
 
#24 ·
Re: Federer - Djokovic similarities (Djokovic is having his 'Fed 2005' year)

For those looking for similarities, check out Djokovic' resume and compare to Hingis. 3 AO, 1 W, 1 USO......
So far he is the male Hingis.

Guess we wait til the USO to see.

And I see many parallels in their careers, but Nole will do less. I think his career may be an echo of Fed's, the same patterns, but with slightly more mental toughness to accompany a LOT less talent.
Nole might end up with half the number of slams Federer will.
 
#26 ·
Eck, Rogers record in five setters is pretty pathetic for a GOAT.
 
#27 ·
This is the big question guys. In 2011 Djokovic had a stellar year. No one can deny that. But lets face it, Roger was still in his 2010-2011 slump. Since the USO last year he has been a different player altogether. No one can deny that either. So now the question remains: Is Federer at 30 years of age better than Djokovic in his prime?

Let it rip guys. It's all yours.
 
#109 · (Edited)
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?



First of all, you need to face up to the fact that Djokovic dominating in 2011 had nothing to do with Federer being in a "slump". Federer's level of play during 2011 was above what he displayed during most of 2010 and even 2012 prior to Wimbledon, despite these titles that he won. The big difference was of course that Federer was stopped from winning a GS in 2011 by Djokovic, but that doesn't automatically lead to the conclusion that he was in a slump.

As for 2012, things are pretty even when you count only the big tournaments, so it will have to be decided at the USO. For now, Djokovic still holds 2 of 4 GS titles and is a finalist at a third GS. As for Federer's titles, what would Djokovic's winning % and title count in 2012 have been had he played his home tournament and maybe a couple of more smaller tournaments? I'd take that one additional GS match win that Djokovic has over all those small tournaments because at their level of GS consistency, one more GS match win is the difference between a final and a semi-final, or even between a GS title and a final...
 
#28 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

Here are some stats for you, read into them what you like:

Federer 2012:
Titles - 5
Minutes played - 5454
Matches Won % - 90.2%
Sets Won % - 78.57%
Games Won % - 59.8%
Points Won % - 54.91%
BP conversion rate - 42.46%
BP save rate - 70.24%
TB's won % - 57.14%
Average ranking of opponent - 41.9

Djokovic 2012:
Titles - 2
Mins Played - 6119
Matches Won % - 85.42%
Sets Won % - 76.87%
Games Won % - 60.49%
Points Won % - 55.23%
BP conversion rate - 45.57%
BP save rate - 65.13%
TB's won % - 58.82%
Average ranking of opponent - 41.75
 
#29 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

Here are some stats for you, read into them what you like:

Federer 2012:
Titles - 5
Minutes played - 5454
Matches Won % - 90.2%
Sets Won % - 78.57%
Games Won % - 59.8%
Points Won % - 54.91%
BP conversion rate - 42.46%
BP save rate - 70.24%
TB's won % - 57.14%
Average ranking of opponent - 41.9

Djokovic 2012:
Titles - 2
Mins Played - 6119
Matches Won % - 85.42%
Sets Won % - 76.87%
Games Won % - 60.49%
Points Won % - 55.23%
BP conversion rate - 45.57%
BP save rate - 65.13%
TB's won % - 58.82%
Average ranking of opponent - 41.75
Dunno where you got those stats but I love it. The titles, matches won, and sets won are telling. Incredible that at 30 years of age Fed is well ahead in the stats. Can Djokovic make up for it, or do we accept that Fed is just in another league altogether?
 
#30 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

As far as I know the season is not over yey. Djokovic usually performs on the highest level during the HC swing in North America.
If Djokovic wins US Open, he will eclipse Federer not matter what happens later.
 
#32 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

As far as I know the season is not over yey. Djokovic usually performs on the highest level during the HC swing in North America.
If Djokovic wins US Open, he will eclipse Federer not matter what happens later.
This is of course true. It's all about the majors. But judging by what happened in this season so far, do you think Djokovic is the favorite for the USO?
 
#33 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

Also here are their serving stats, Federer's are superior as you would expect:

Fed:
Aces per match - 8.47
Double Faults per match - 1.57
Differential per match - 6.9

Djok:
Aces per match - 5.42
Double Faults per match - 1.79
Differential per match - 3.63

So in 2012 Federer gets nearly twice as many free points on serve per match
 
#34 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

Djokovic is playing nowhere near his 2011 level. At current level even a 30 year old federer (arguably playing some of his best tennis) can eclipse him. I think this speaks as much about federer's greatness as it does about djokovic's level.
At the moment, fed>>djokovic, but this could change by the year end. nole's favorite part of the season is coming up.
 
#36 ·
Re: Federer 2012 > Djokovic 2012?

Djokovic is playing nowhere near his 2011 level. At current level even a 30 year old federer (arguably playing some of his best tennis) can eclipse him. I think this speaks as much about federer's greatness as it does about djokovic's level.
At the moment, fed>>djokovic, but this could change by the year end. nole's favorite part of the season is coming up.
A lot to be said about this comment. First of all Roger isn't near his best. He is dragging out matches that he would have killed off in no time in his prime. Like for instance vs Falla today.

Then you might as well say Roger's favorite part of the season is coming up. He rules Cincy, the USO(5>1) and the indoor season. I'm kinda missing your point right now.
 
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