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#1 ·
Roger Federer reached all four slam finals in 2007, Nadal reached 3 finals and a quarter final.

Roger won the prestigious Tennis Masters Cup. We will have to wait to see if Nadal can win the WTF.

Federer won 8 titles in 2007, including 3 grand slams.

Nadal won 3 grand slams in 2010, including the prestigious RG Wimbledon double. He also won 3 slams in a row.

Both players had interesting slam draws. Federer had to beat world number two Rafael Nadal in Wimbledon final, and a very on fire Djokovic in the US Open. Nadal had to beat Bird Itch in Wimbledon final and a very tired Djokovitch in Us Open final.

2007 was probably Federers least impressive 3 slam season, 2010 was Nadals best season so far one would have to think.

So who had a better season?

Discuss.
The floor is yours. Have at it.
 
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#3,371 ·
Re: Is Federer still greater than Nadal after 2014 RG?

Voted for Nadal as I see him breaking the record eventually. The guy's hunger has been fed after the disappointing unfortunate disaster at Australia. Federer has the title for the moment being as he's leading with 17 slams. Rafa is officially now at 14. I believe he's turning 28 this year and if he paces himself and doesn't beat himself too much at the smaller tournaments, he surely should surpass Federer's record. If Federer had managed his goal of 20 slams after his peak, I'd have no doubt Rafa wouldn't catch him. But with Rafa reaching finals (with the exception of Wimbledon) like they're nothing... it just looks like he's catching up very soon. He's already the undisputed GOAT on clay and is looking to further that by claiming the overall GOAT title.
 
#3,378 · (Edited)
Federer & Nadal losing records to top 20 players

Federer losing records against top 20 players:

Nadal 10-23 **14 slams
Murray 10-11 **2 slams
Kafelnikov 2-4 **2 slams
Rafter 0-3 **2 slams
Enqvist 1-3
Corretja 2-3
Kuerten 1-2 **3 slams
Nishokiri 1-2
Ferreira 1-2
Hrbaty 1-2
Squillari 0-2
Bruguera 0-1 **2 slams
Clavet 0-1
Gaudenzi 0-1
Medvedev 0-1

Nadal losing records against top 20 players:

Davydenko 5-6
Hrbatý 1-3
Corretja 0-2
Srichaphan 0-1
J.Johansson 0-1

Facts:

- Rafa has **0** losing records to grandslam champions and thus meaningful rivals. Federer has **6** different losing records to grandslam champions and thus meaningful rivals.

- Rafa has a losing record to only **5** top 20 players. Federer has a losing record to **15** top 20 players.

- Rafa's most hyped losing record is vs Davydenko and it's extremely close 5-6 (0-0 in slams). Someone who has not even reached a grandslam final and thus not a main rival. A very close h2h that is almost even and very meaningless with not even 1 slam meeting.

- Federer's most hyped losing record is vs Nadal and it's an embarrassing 10-23 (2-9 in slams). Someone who's a GOAT contender with 14 slams and a main rival. An important rivalry with tons of slam meetings that defined tennis history. An embarrassing h2h that Federer was completely helpless in.

I think all those stats are clear and direct. Rafa is GOAT material, Federer just has too many negatives.


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#3,380 · (Edited)
Federer & Nadal losing records to top 20 players

dulltards and their h2h-obsession :haha:

The more Rafa gets closer to Federer's slam count, the more the h2hs will be gaining importance... So laugh for now but soon it might be one of the deciding factors. Experts like McEnroe are already using h2h in deciding who's GOAT :wavey:

A GOAT who needs to avoid his main rival to win slams... Now THAT merits a :haha:


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#3,395 ·
To me, when Nadal gets to 17 GS, he will equal to Federer's greatness, when he gets 18, he becomes undisputed GOAT unless Federer wins more slams (very unlikely).

In regards to Federer and his credibility of his dominance, is it a weak era that back in 2003-2007 were you see in masters and grand slams of seeded players were getting upset regularly? No, it meant that the depth of men's field was strong and any of the Top 50 were capable of being Top 10-20. The fact that only the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Murray and Nadal are dominating tennis from 2008 til now shows that most of the players in the tour are unable to step up their game to compete with them. Hence, by principle, this is a weak era. However, even if you dismiss that, you can only judge Federer as he is against the other Big 4 members nowadays for the last few years? His record isn't too bad and it's evident that he's playing past his prime, but then again, Federer also lost to Murray and Nadal on HC 2006, so it's tough to say.

It's more safe to conclude that era comparisons are pointless because Federer played at a time when shotmaking instead of incredible athleticism, and endurance were slightly more prominent. So his overall game is not suited to how men's tennis played now along with the contributions to racquet technology changes and homogenised surfaces.

I don't have a definitive answer but I would like to know other people's view whether in a hypothetical scenario on how Nadal, Djokovic and Murray would fare in 2004-2006 that takes into account of the faster surfaces and racquet technology.
 
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#3,396 ·
2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

2009 was equivalent year in career of Federer of Nadal's 2014 considering their ages.

In 2009 Federer reached all 4 GS finals winning 2, and 2 losses coming to new generation players Nadal and Delpo in extremely tough 5 setters.

Now if we gives the competition Nadal is facing I.e.choking Djokovic, Recovering Murray, Injured Delpo ( sidelined since Dubai ), Inconsistent WAWA and lackluster young generation like Dimitrov, Tomic, Raonic I hardly see 2009 prime Roger losing grandslam match.

The only opponent Making consistent GS finals is Djokovic currently owned by 32 yo Roger leading 2-1 in 2014.

32 Yo Roger leads Murray 1-0 in 2014 with win Australia.

Young generation is non factor at slam discussions as they still didn't have 1 masters title combined let alone slam.

Depth of field rather decided by how new generation players able to challenge older one, and this is time Nadal generation entering last chapter of the their respective careers at 27-28, no young player has made GS finals even they all have 2 masters finals combined between them Pretty much sums up present dead stage of Tennis.

What do you think? 2014 tour consisting of Only semiretired pros that Federer still owns at 32 could Challenge 2009 prime Roger?

While Federer never lost GS final to journeyman in his prime or never lost GS final player older/his generation player have any trouble stricking CYGS in this vacuum era?

I don't think Current choker version of Djokovic can't even take out Murray can beat Prime Roger.

Wawa in slam final is similar to Baghdatis run IMO, Prime Roger was versatile in handling variety of playing styles with his unique offensive playing style.

Who's left in current weak field Nadal is facing can beat prime Roger?
 
#3,397 · (Edited)
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

2009 was equivalent year in career of Federer of Nadal's 2014 considering their ages.

In 2009 Federer reached all 4 GS finals winning 2, and 2 losses coming to new generation players Nadal and Delpo in extremely tough 5 setters.

Now if we gives the competition Nadal is facing I.e.choking Djokovic, Recovering Murray, Injured Delpo ( sidelined since Dubai ), Inconsistent WAWA and lackluster young generation like Dimitrov, Tomic, Raonic I hardly see 2009 prime Roger losing grandslam match.

The only opponent Making consistent GS finals is Djokovic currently owned by 32 yo Roger leading 2-1 in 2014.

32 Yo Roger leads Murray 1-0 in 2014 with win Australia.

Young generation is non factor at slam discussions as they still didn't have 1 masters title combined let alone slam.

Depth of field rather decided by how new generation players able to challenge older one, and this is time Nadal generation entering last chapter of the their respective careers at 27-28, no young player has made GS finals even they all have 2 masters finals combined between them Pretty much sums up present dead stage of Tennis.

What do you think? 2014 tour consisting of Only semiretired pros that Federer still owns at 32 could Challenge 2009 prime Roger?

While Federer never lost GS final to journeyman in his prime or never lost GS final player older/his generation player have any trouble stricking CYGS in this vacuum era?

I don't think Current choker version of Djokovic can't even take out Murray can beat Prime Roger.

Wawa in slam final is similar to Baghdatis run IMO, Prime Roger was versatile in handling variety of playing styles with his unique offensive playing style.

Who's left in current weak field Nadal is facing can beat prime Roger?
More bullshit from fastgrass, prime wawa would beat 2009 fed on HC. So if delpo defeated Fed in 2009, so would have done Wawrinka. Also fed had the luck that rafa lost earlier in 2009, otherwise he was never going to win RG. Put 2009 federer here, he would have lost to wawa, owned in straights vs rafa at RG and probably lose to rafa too in the USO. His only chance could be wimby, but there is murray and we have how the young names will do, plus novak and rafa who will be there...


Now you will become the joke of MTF, comparing fatdathis to Wawrinka... :lol: wawa is no surprise, he was getting close 5 setters in previous years against nole (twice in AO and on3 time at the USO.)
 
#3,400 ·
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

Competition like a years-past-his-prime Roddick in a Wimbledon final and a RG where he didn't have to face the guy who's won the other 9 titles of the past decade?
Roddick played tier above than Djokovic at RG level wise. It was Wimbledon classic could've gone either a way with 16-14 in Final set with Roddick holding serve straight 37 times.

Competition That player A is facing doesn't include himself, get it.
 
#3,399 ·
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

In before the close.

slowgrass is getting desperate, Rogie better win something fast :lol:
 
#3,420 ·
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

2010 could of been a CYGS for Nadal if not for injury at AO. You can't change the past.
 
#3,424 ·
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

No one can get easier competition than Nadal in 2010, and even then he couldn't have a year as good as Nole 2011 or Roger 2006!
 
#3,426 ·
Re: 2009 Federer would've struck CYGS the competition Nadal is facing currently.

No one can get easier competition than Nadal in 2010, and even then he couldn't have a year as good as Nole 2011 or Roger 2006!
He beat who he had to beat. Besides, Nadal in 3 of the 4 grand slams, beat the player that defeated Federer in the final. :D
 
#3,430 ·
Would Fed have a chance against Dull if they were to meet in the SF at WM 2014?

Seems Rafa really donno how to play on grass anymore and Fed is the grass GOAT. We all know about the styllistical advantage Rafa has over him. So, would Fed have a chance to win at his old age against a prime Rafa if they meet at WM 2014?

Discuss.
 
#3,433 ·
Re: Would Fed have a chance against Dull if they were to meet in the SF at WM 2014?

Seems Rafa really donno how to play on grass anymore and Fed is the grass GOAT. We all know about the styllistical advantage Rafa has over him. So, would Fed have a chance to win at his old age against a prime Rafa if they meet at WM 2014?

Discuss.
styllistical advantage lmfao. nadal could play blindfolded with one hand and the result will always be the same. fed folds like a cheap tent the moment he sees nadal on the other side of the net. its amusing to see what this matchup does to people, they get their hopes up every time even though they know better :D
 
#3,435 ·
Re: Would Fed have a chance against Dull if they were to meet in the SF at WM 2014?

Wimbledon is much more similar to queens, halle is a completly different surface imo..

And they would likely meet in second week SF (if that ever happens)where the grass is even more dry and bouncy.
 
#3,436 ·
Re: Would Fed have a chance against Dull if they were to meet in the SF at WM 2014?

Nope. That train left the station years ago. Roger would do well to even get a set
 
#3,437 ·
Re: Is Federer still greater than Nadal after 2014 RG?

Fed lost to berdych, tsonga, ancic, rusedski, henman, hewitt and roddick. That's worse than losing to Murray, brown, Darcis and rosol.
 
#3,438 ·
Re: Would Fed have a chance against Dull if they were to meet in the SF at WM 2014?

Fraud beating Rafa in a Grand Slam :haha: :haha: :haha:
 
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