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Old 10-29-2013, 07:55 PM   #91
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Cilic plays tommorrow third on Court Central.
Maybe he can take a set, but Del Potro is on fire the last weeks.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:18 PM   #92
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How long did Gasquet get?


Does Troicki now realize the extreme stupidity of refusing to test no mater what the fear of needles/fear of health? If you test positive, the resultant penalty is not going to he as harsh.
Why would he? He's stupid.
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It is worrying if the drugs people told Cilic he'd tested positive for a substance, when it was really the metabolite, but equally, you can't get the metabolite into your system unless you've had the substance in it. Finding the metabolite, not the primary substance is just a question of timing. If they'd tested him a few days earlier, he'd have tested positive for that too.

Cilic apparently just accepted the results of the tests, and while this case may show that all players should challenge it, the reason he accepted it was because he knew he'd taken something he shouldn't have. It sounds as if it was luck, not judgement, that meant he didn't take it during competition.

If he really was due to have knee surgery, and if he has had it, how long would he have been out for?

No matter how confident you are that something was ingested accidentally, there has to be some kind of punishment for it, and I'd have had more respect for Cilic if he accepted that.
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Any bets he will draw Troicki in the first tournament that he comes back in?

And the winner plays nadal
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Any bets he will draw Troicki in the first tournament that he comes back in?

And the winner plays nadal
Pay attention, dude. He already came back at Bercy and beat Sjisling.

He plays del Potro tomorrow.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:57 PM   #96
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While he admitted taking the *stimulant, Cilic said that he had only done so several days before the start of the tournament. And *according to the dope code, nikethamide is only outlawed during competition, because its effects last between 12 and 24 hours.
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Does Troicki now realize the extreme stupidity of refusing to test no mater what the fear of needles/fear of health? If you test positive, the resultant penalty is not going to he as harsh.

Also, would like to mention that nannograms is usually what is found in urine tests, so it's no mitigation that only nanograms were found.
well, he was never afraid of testing positive in the first place, so this outcome doesn't change anything from the point of view of one who's scared of needles. I mean... that's if you buy his story.
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Can't stand him.
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It is worrying if the drugs people told Cilic he'd tested positive for a substance, when it was really the metabolite, but equally, you can't get the metabolite into your system unless you've had the substance in it. Finding the metabolite, not the primary substance is just a question of timing. If they'd tested him a few days earlier, he'd have tested positive for that too.

Cilic apparently just accepted the results of the tests, and while this case may show that all players should challenge it, the reason he accepted it was because he knew he'd taken something he shouldn't have. It sounds as if it was luck, not judgement, that meant he didn't take it during competition.

If he really was due to have knee surgery, and if he has had it, how long would he have been out for?

No matter how confident you are that something was ingested accidentally, there has to be some kind of punishment for it, and I'd have had more respect for Cilic if he accepted that.
he took a substance that is allowed to be taken outside of competition
he tested positive for the inactive metabolite on the first day of a competition
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Does Troicki now realize the extreme stupidity of refusing to test no mater what the fear of needles/fear of health? If you test positive, the resultant penalty is not going to he as harsh.

Also, would like to mention that nannograms is usually what is found in urine tests, so it's no mitigation that only nanograms were found.
Are you kidding? If he gets tested for some kind of Anabolic Steroid or something then the ban is certainly going to far exceed 1.5 years.
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he took a substance that is allowed to be taken outside of competition
he tested positive for the inactive metabolite on the first day of a competition
/story
Wonder where are the morons and haters who called him a cheater now.
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By BEN ROTHENBERG
Published: October 30, 2013


PARIS — Marin Cilic lost to Juan Martín del Potro in the second round of the ATP Masters event in Paris on Wednesday, but his overall feeling was one of relief.

Cilic, a former top-10 player from Croatia, was happy to be in action after being among the highest-ranked tennis players to serve a doping suspension. He compared his sensations on court to “a kid playing for the first time,” and said his positive test caused “the worst time of my life.”

In early May, Cilic tested positive for the prohibited substance nikethamide, an ingredient in glucose tablets he had taken. Cilic began taking glucose powder in 2011 to aid in the digestion and absorption of creatine powder, a permitted supplement that boosts energy levels. But when his supply of glucose powder ran low at a tournament in Monte Carlo in April, he asked his mother to buy him some more at a pharmacy. She bought a different form of glucose than he normally used, he said, and the tablets, with warning labels written in French, contained the banned substance nikethamide.

In September he received a nine-month suspension from the International Tennis Federation, which said it believed Cilic did not attempt to use nikethamide as an illicit performance enhancer. Cilic appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which last week reduced his suspension to four months.

Cilic, now ranked 41st, had already served four months since accepting a voluntary suspension in June, so he was able to make an immediate comeback this week.

Although the arbitration court has not yet released its full decision, Cilic suggested that much of the court’s ruling in his favor hinged on technical points about the specific substance for which he tested positive. Cilic said he tested positive for a metabolite of nikethamide called nicotinamide, not for the stimulant nikethamide itself.

Additionally, nikethamide itself is only a banned substance in competition. It is legal out of competition, so finding a lingering metabolite of it would not necessarily indicate that he had taken it illegally during competition.

What drew attention to Cilic’s ban was not the technicalities on which it ended, but the manner in which it began, with him quietly withdrawing from Wimbledon under the veil of a knee injury.

In the early afternoon of the third day of Wimbledon, Cilic, the No. 10 seed in the men’s singles draw, inconspicuously withdrew before his second-round match, citing a left knee injury. At a news conference on the day of his withdrawal, Cilic spoke about the trouble he had putting weight on his left leg, saying that his knee had bothered him for a “couple weeks.”

Cilic’s withdrawal was hardly dwelt upon at the time. It was only part of an exodus on the third day of the tournament that included Roger Federer, Victoria Azarenka, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga and Maria Sharapova.

The 10th-seeded Cilic, who called it a “very black day,” had no explanation for the sudden cluster of falling stars.

“Everything is related to individual,” he said. “Difficult to say what the real issue is.”

As it turned out, it was difficult to know what Cilic’s own “real issue” was.

About a month after Wimbledon, the Croatian news media reported that Cilic had withdrawn from Wimbledon after accepting a voluntary provisional ban.

The tennis federation does not comment on doping cases that have not been ruled on by an independent tribunal, so Cilic spent the next several weeks pulling out of events, including the United States Open, citing personal reasons.

When the federation’s independent tribunal handed down its ban in September, the report said that Cilic had withdrawn from Wimbledon citing “a knee injury to avoid adverse publicity.”

Cilic denied that his knee injury had been feigned and emphasized that a deciding factor in accepting the voluntary suspension was that his results at Wimbledon might have been invalidated later.

Stuart Miller, the federation’s antidoping manager, applauded Cilic’s willingness to remove himself from competition. “Voluntary suspension, I think, is a good thing for a player to do because it does demonstrate a good attitude toward the integrity of the game,” Miller said.

Miller said that in his seven years leading the federation’s antidoping system, players had rarely chosen to begin a voluntary suspension in the middle of a tournament. He added that it was not the federation’s responsibility to ensure the accuracy of any explanation given for suddenly pulling out of a tournament.

“If a player withdraws due to an antidoping rule violation charge, it’s up to them to say what they want to say about that,” Miller said. “And, of course, if it subsequently comes out that the reason for doing so may not have been the real reason, or the complete reason, then it’s up to the player to explain why he or she did what he or she did.”

Miller said the federation had drawn a “line in the sand” about disclosing an infraction only after the tribunal had ruled it to be a violation worthy of punishment.

“It says if and when there is a violation, then you must publicly disclose it,” Miller said. “That’s all it says. There’s nothing else that is mandatory in terms of public disclosure.”

While provisional suspensions are made public in some sports, like cycling, they are not in tennis, which could leave a cloud of suspicion over any player who is absent for a long period of time. Had Cilic been found by the tribunal to have committed no doping violation, Miller said the federation would have never commented on his case, nor revealed that he had taken a voluntary suspension.

Ben Nichols, a media relations manager for the World Anti-Doping Agency, said that WADA’s code “leaves some flexibility in terms of public disclosure” for provisional suspensions, allowing for variation between each sport’s governing bodies.

Richard Ings, who led antidoping efforts for the ATP from 2000 to 2005 and later headed the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, said a change to make disclosure of voluntary suspensions mandatory for all sports was the best course of action, even if it was initially simply disclosed as an unspecified rules violation.

“If you’re a big professional sport, you need to have the same rules for the big guys and the small guys,” he said of tennis. “If a big guy is being stood down for a provisional suspension, you just can’t hide it.”

Ings said more transparency would help improve tennis’s antidoping program.

“It ensures that there is not a vacuum of information, which lets people run off with conspiracy theories,” he said.
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