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Throughout his career Federer has attained numerous records – some of which are very well documented and publicised, others which perhaps are not. But often the question is asked: what more is there left to achieve? For sure there are many tennis records out there, a good number of them would be almost impossible for Federer to beat. But there are also numerous records that can still be equalled and/or broken.

So in this thread – which happens to be my first – I have listed in no particular order, some of the records he has yet to achieve but may yet plausibly attain. They all refer to achievements in singles during the Open Era unless specified otherwise. Of course I have also included what he needs to do to achieve them and will try to update this on a regular basis (your help would be much appreciated with this too).

Note that there are numerous records which Federer has equalled but has not yet surpassed. Depending upon the response I get from this thread, I might include these in the post as well.

I’d just like to add that if Federer does not achieve many (or indeed any) of the records listed below, that does not in any way detract from his achievements thus far. For me at least, his place in tennis history is already sealed, although new chapters of this history are being added as time passes and that perhaps one day it is only reasonable to imagine that a number of Federer’s own records may be caught up to. But for now let us look forward to what there is still to aim for because as Roger states himself:




Updated after the Paris Masters (stats correct to Monday 14th November, 2011)


Title records by tournament type

Most outdoor titles

Here Federer is 4th in the list, needing an extra 5 outdoor tournament victories to equal Vilas.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Outdoor titles
1		Vilas		56
2		Connors		55
3		Lendl		52
4		Federer		51
Most Tennis Masters Cups / World Tour Finals won

Winning in 2011 would see Federer as the only man with 6 year end championship trophies.
Code:
Rank	Player		TMC / WTF titles
=1	Federer		5 
=1	Sampras		5
=1	Lendl		5
Most Masters 1000 titles

In 2011 Federer has surpassed Agassi but is one behind Nadal, even though he has the record for the most finals of Masters 1000 tournaments reached (in fact at Paris Bercy he became the first to reach the finals of all 9 Masters 1000 tournaments)
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Masters 1000 titles
1		Nadal		19
2		Federer		18
Most individual Masters 1000 tournaments won

By winning Paris, Federer overtakes Nadal and equals Agassi. He has yet to win Monte Carlo (3 time finalist), Rome (2 time finalist). Note that Federer’s best result in Shanghai is a loss in the final, but this event replaced Hamburg, which he won on 4 occasions.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Different Masters 1000s won
=1		Federer		7
 =1		Agassi		7
Most ATP 500 titles

Federer needs 2 more to tie with the leader, Sampras
Code:
Open era rank	Player		ATP 500 titles
1		Sampras		12
2		Nadal		11
3		Federer		10
Most ATP 250 titles

By winning Doha, Federer surpassed Sampras and Hewitt
Code:
Open era rank	Player		ATP 500 titles
1		Muster		26
 2		Federer		21

Match winning records

Matches won in all Grand Slams

Federer stands 2nd in the Open Era list
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Grand Slam match wins 
1		Connors		233
2		Federer		228
Matches won on hard courts at Grand Slams

Federer is now second in this particular statistic, 7 wins away from Agassi
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Grand Slam hard court wins 
1		Agassi		127
3		Federer		120
Most Grand Slam semi final appearances

Connors leads the pack, but Federer is currently 2 away from him.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Grand Slam semi final appearances
1		Connors		31
 2		Federer		29
Most Grand Slam quarter final appearances

Connors again holds the record and is 7 ahead of Federer, who is joint 3rd in the list
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Grand Slam quarter final appearances
1		Connors		41
2		Agassi		36
=3		Federer		34
3		Lendl		34
Matches won at the Masters Cup / World Tour Finals

Federer is 5 behind Lendl at the moment.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Year-end Championship matches won
1		Lendl		39
2		Becker		36
3		Sampras		35
4		Federer		34
Most Tennis Masters Cup finals / World Tour Finals appearances in finals

Federer and Sampras (both with 6) are 3 behind Lendl.
Code:
Rank    Player		TMC / WTF finals
1	Lendl		9
2	Becker		8
=3	Federer		6
=3	Sampras		6

‘Consecutive’ records

Most consecutive Grand Slam appearances

Federer will have to participate in every major tournament up to and including US Open 2013 to match Wayne Ferreira’s Open Era record.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Consecutive Grand Slams entered
1		Ferreira		56
2		Edberg		54
 3		Federer		48
Most consecutive seasons having reached a Grand Slam final

Federer will have to reach at least one Grand Slam final in each year up to 2013 to match Sampras and Lendl.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Years 
=1		Sampras		11
=1		Lendl		11
2		Federer		9

Australian Open records

Note that due to the existence of the Challenge Round in early years of the slams and its subsequent discontinuation, pre Open Era comparisons are only made for wins and finals

Most championships won

Federer has equalled Andre Agassi’s Open Era record of 4 Australian Open wins. This feat has been matched by 2 players, including Ken Rosewall who had victories either side of the introduction of the Open era. The all-time record belongs to Roy Emerson
Code:
All-time rank	Player		Australian Opens won
1		Emerson		6
=2		Federer		4
=2		Agassi		4
=2		Rosewall	4
=2		Crawford	4
Most final appearances

Federer is tied with Stefan Edberg’s record 5 Australian Open finals in the open era. Ken Rosewall achieved the same feat but 3 of his titles came before the Open era. In those earlier days, 3 separate players made final appearances a record 7 times.
Code:
All-time rank	Player		Australian Opens finals
=1		Emerson		7
=1		Bromwich	7
=1		Crawford	7
=4		Federer		5
=4		Edberg		5
Most semi final appearances

Federer is tied with Edberg’s record of 8 in the Open Era
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Australian Opens semi finals
=1		Federer		8
 =1		Edberg		8
Most quarter final appearances

Federer is joint 2nd in the standings, 2 behind Edberg as things now stand
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Australian Opens quarter finals
1		Edberg		10
=2		Federer		8
=2		Lendl		8
=2		Newcombe	8
French Open records

Most final appearances

Federer is 1 behind Borg’s all-time record of 6 although there is good reason to think that Nadal will comfortably surpass this by the time his career draws to an end.
Code:
All-time rank	Player		French Open finals
1		Borg		6
=2		Federer		5
=2		Wilander	5
=2		Lendl		5
=2		Drobny		5
=2		Cochet		5
=2		Lacoste		5 
=2		Nadal		5
Most semi final appearances

Federer is at the time of writing, equal with Borg, Wilander’s and Nadal’s record of 6 in the Open Era
Code:
Open era rank	Player		French Open semi finals
=1		Federer		5
 =1		Borg		6
=1		Wilander	6
=1		Nadal		5
Most quarter final appearances

After FO 2011, Federer is 1 behind record holders Agassi and Vilas
Code:
Open era rank	Player		French Open quarter finals
=1		Agassi		9
=1		Vilas		9
=3		Federer		8
3		Connors		8

Wimbledon records

Most championships won

Federer is just 1 behind Pete Sampras’ Open Era record. William Renshaw also ties Sampras for the most number of victories at Wimbledon for all time (including pre Open era)
Code:
All-time rank	Player		Wimbledons won
=1		Sampras		7
=1		Renshaw		7
2		Federer		6
Most final appearances

Federer shares the Open Era record with Sampras and Becker but trails two of the tournament’s early participants by 1.
Code:
All-time rank	Player		Wimbledon finals
=1		Gore		8
=1		Bromwich	8
=3		Federer		7
=3		Sampras		7
=3		Becker		7
Most semi final appearances

Connor’s record of 11 semi finals is going to be very difficult for Federer to match. He is currently 4 behind.
Code:
Open era rank	Player		Wimbledon semi finals
1		Connors		11
2		Becker		9
=3		Sampras		8
=3		McEnroe		8
=5		Federer		7
=5		Lendl		7

US Open records

Most championships won

Federer needs 2 more US Open victories to tie 3 players from before the Open Era. He currently shares the Open Era record with Connors and Sampras
Code:
All-time rank	Player		US Opens won
=1		Tilden		7
=1		Larned		7
=1		Sears		7
=4		Federer		5
=4		Sampras		5 
=4		Connors		5
Most final appearances

Tilden’s all-time record of 10 is also going to be extremely difficult to match as he needs 4 more. The Open Era record shared by Lendl and Sampras are 2 more than Federer at the moment.
Code:
All-time rank	Player		US Open finals
1		Tilden		10
2		Larned		9
=3		Sampras		8
=3		Lendl		8
=5		Connors		7
=5		Sears		7
=7		Federer		6
=7		Agassi		6

Rankings records

Note that rankings statistics compare players since 1973, when the ATP first used the computerised ranking method.

Most weeks at number 1

Please refer to the excellent thread on this topic (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=157340) for more details. Federer has totalled 285 weeks at the top of the ATP rankings, 1 behind Pete Sampras’ record
Code:
Rank	Player		Total weeks at number 1
1	Sampras		286
2	Federer		285
Most weeks ranked in top 2

Federer is now just 1 week behind Sampras
Code:
Rank	Player		Total weeks at number 1 or 2
1	Sampras		376
2	Federer		375
Most years ended at number 1

Alongside Connors, Federer is also 1 shy of Sampras
Code:
Rank	Player		Year end number 1s
1	Sampras		6
=2	Federer		5
=2	Connors		5
Most years ended in top 2

Although Federer has the consecutive record with 8 years, he currently shares the non-consecutive record with Connors
Code:
Rank	Player		Year end number 1 or 2
=1	Federer		8
=1	Connors		8

PS: I am aware that there are more potential records which he can target, which I will add on in due course. In the meantime please let me know if there is anything I have missed out or if there are any important ones which you think should be included here.
Please also let be know if you spot any errors. Thanks

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Old 05-30-2010, 12:11 PM   #2
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Excellent thread, thanks for your contribution

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I’d just like to add that if Federer does not achieve many (or indeed any) of the records listed below, that does not in any way detract from his achievements thus far. For me at least, his place in tennis history is already sealed, although new chapters of this history are being added as time passes and that perhaps one day it is only reasonable to imagine that a number of Federer’s own records may be caught up to.
Well said

It's incredible what Roger has achieved in his career and we all can consider ourself lucky that we can witness him playing tennis. His amazing playing style is what got us attracted to him and it is an extra bonus that he has achieved so much in the past years.

As Pete Sampras has said records are there to be broken.
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great post!
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Don't let SetSampras, froghop et al. see this thread.

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Repped. A few I was already aware, and I few that I wasn't.

He's only got a few 'consecutive' records left to chase. Consecutive weeks in the top 2 (which he's pretty close to), consecutive slams attended, consecutive 3Rs at the slams, (chasing Lendl) consecutive Finals at the USO, (chasing Lendl). Consecutive finals at the Australian.

All the rest are 'career'. That's an important sign.
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Thanks for the positive responses everyone!

I'll try to add those in JediFed - and yes, if Federer plays every slam up to US Open 2013 then he will match Wayne Ferreira's record of participating in 56 consecutive slams. I think there were a couple of other ones I missed out as well like overtaking Borg and Sampras for the most consecutive years having won a grand slam. Then there's also the fact that if Federer can do the impossible and win the French Open this year, then he will be the only person to have defended all slams (he already has the record for the most individual number of slams defended, at 9. Moreover, even though Laver was the only man to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam in the Open Era, Federer holds the record for winning the most Grand Slam matches in a year as he won 27 in 2006 while Laver won 26 in 1969 as he only had to play 5 matches in the Australian Open.

Does anyone have data on consecutive weeks in the top 2 other than the ATP webiste?



Also, doing this thread has made me think that in the Open Era, Federer can lay claim to being the greatest player at the Australian Open. While he's not far off earning the same distinction at Wimbledon and the US Open, I don't think he's quite matched Sampras at Wimbledon or Connors at the US Open. For me one more victory in each would seal the deal.

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Hence the sig. Lord of the AO.

The only major Australian record he doesn't own is the streak (Agassi), but that comes with a caveat because he took a year off. Lendl is one ahead of him, after the SF loss to the Djoker. Lendl also still owns the consecutive finals (3), which Roger only needs one more next year to tie.

The only other major 'consecutive' record that he doesn't own is a big one. Consecutive slams entered owning at least one. He's 2 shy of Sampras, and can tie the record at Wimbledon this year.

WIM 1993, 1994, 1995, USO 1995, 1996, WIM 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001. Federer ended this streak of slam ownership by defeating him in WIM 2001.

So in all the streak is 33 slams.

Federer has:

WIM 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, USO 2007, 2008, FO 2009, AO 2010, AO 2011 currently.

31 slams.
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Thank you so much for this, it's obvious how much hard work you've put into it! As you say he doesn't really need any of them but it'll be a nice bonus every time he manages one
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I hope some of the dust has now settled after the commotion of two consecutive quarterfinal exits. During this period Federer had a chance to make significant strides in a number of the records I listed in the first post, which unfortunately he must now wait to obtain.

I notice that many journalists have started writing his tennis playing obituary already. I am not so sure - during Wimbledon 2003 to Australian Open 2010 Federer was a model of consistency, and his results from February this year are somewhat of an abberation. While it is true that at nearly 29 time is not on his side, I still believe he has a good shot at some of the records above. What is more, at some point (most likely between July and September 2011) I do believe that he will be able to regain his world no. 1 ranking; which would thus mean overtaking Sampras' total weeks at the top of the ATP rankings.
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WoW! Thats amazing what Rog achieved. He deserves all respect
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wow never noticed this thread... nice list...! maybe it should be stickied... and we can slowly strike off the records when roger breaks them... and add in new ones should there be any records that he could have a chance to break... and then we can see how many more records he can still potentially break before retirement...


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Good idea to make this thread! There are tons of significant records that Federer could relatively easily beat by simply playing at a solid level for another few years, building upon his past achiements. Which is nice for us fans, even if he performs below his peak standard there will still be new records to enjoy.

Some additions that I didn't see yet in the previous posts (sorry if I missed one):

Consecutive Slam 4th rounds (25 now, Lendl has 28)
Consecutive seasons with 20+ Slam match wins (6 now, Lendl has 7) [needs USO 2010 SF]
1 Olympic Gold Medal (0 now, 13 players have 1) + Career Golden Slam (Agassi has this)

Most Slam semifinals (25 now, Connors has 31, Lendl 28, Agassi 26)

Most consecutive quarterfinals at Australian Open (7 now, Edberg has 10, Lendl 7)
Most runner-ups at French Open (3 now, alltime [since 1925] record is 3 shared by 8 players) [a bit questionable if this should be included]
Most consecutive quarterfinals at French Open (6 now, Connors has 7, Vilas, Lendl 6)
Most consecutive quarterfinals at Wimbledon (8 now, Connors has 11, Sampras 9, Becker 8)
Most consecutive finals at US Open (6 now, Lendl has 8)

Most consecutive seasons reaching a Slam final (8 now, Lendl, Sampras have 11, Borg 8)

Most match wins at YEC (29 now, Lendl has 39, Becker 36, Sampras 35)
Most match wins at Masters 1000 events (209 now, tying Agassi for the record) He should take this record this summer.

Total weeks in the top 2 (don't know precise current number, Sampras has 376 weeks)
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