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View Poll Results: Which of the following do you consider to be the most limiting in terms of freedom?

Indoctrination 3 25.00%
Government 3 25.00%
Societal Norms 3 25.00%
Education 1 8.33%
Coorporations 1 8.33%
Hierarchies 0 0%
Laws 0 0%
Other (please state) 1 8.33%
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:50 PM   #16
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Define freedom.
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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:53 PM   #17
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centralised low-performing education system.

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It's even more important to note that the meaning of freedom is completely relative to the user.
freedom of thought, that is it.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:11 PM   #18
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Define freedom.
Not being restricted nor punished nor forced into doing (or not doing) something you disagree with.
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governmental religion
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governmental religion
Aye, it is a very important issue.

Governance, and religious views ought to be seperate for the simple matter that many people simply do not believe in certain aspects, or all of religion.

Either way, it seems to me most governments ought to be in control of the people, and thus enact a true democracy, not a system in which you vote for a person to represent you.

It may well be that you agree with 60-70% of what the person you are voting for says, but regardless the remaining 30-40% or more is still a big gap in opinion.

These systems are falsely called Democracies, when in fact, by definition they are a Republic.
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Not being restricted nor punished nor forced into doing (or not doing) something you disagree with.
coping with more demanding situations, freedom is the readiness to recognise ability and re-consider taken-for-granted ideas.
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coping with more demanding situations, freedom is the readiness to recognise ability and re-consider taken-for-granted ideas.
Sure, that's a valid definition.

Still, Jose does bring up an interesting point, but ultimately one that is really no too important, because I think we all know, in essence what "freedom" is.

Same goes with other words like "goodness", "evil","slavery" and so on.
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Either way, it seems to me most governments ought to be in control of the people, and thus enact a true democracy, not a system in which you vote for a person to represent you.
Under the current economic structure in the world, where we are all under the influence of scarcity, this is an impossibility. A possible future where abundance is prevalent we might again settle down into small communities run by direct democracy. This however would give us more problems as well, as there would be no ultimate constitution, unless you fall under some kind of federal system - but then again the democracy will not be direct.
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