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2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
It's seems that according to the ATP's moves, we need to change the PAW ranking points and their distribution.
We can do it using the help of WTA PAW ranking system ( posted by our friend sdtoot ).
For 2009 we have 4 groups of points:
1. ATP World Tour 250
2. ATP World Tour 500
3. ATP World Tour Masters 1000
4. Grand Slam
Any suggestions?
Last edited by robuś : 12212008 at 06:29 PM.



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12132008, 09:05 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Regarding to the integration of the 2009 ranking points scores into the 2008/09 entry rankings, I suggest the ranking to work by the same rules as previously, another words entry ranking points are gained by the points from 2009 week and decreased by the points from 2008 appropriate week (tournament).



12142008, 12:23 AM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Post edited to remove higher ranking points tables.
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12142008, 02:52 AM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Can every player give suggestions?
Don't change the points system. If it isn't enough the ATP screwing the circuit, do we need to actually screw such a nice game too?



12142008, 10:02 AM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdtoot
Ranking Points for ATP World Tour 500 (64 Players)
Code:
1st  500 ..... 9th  110 ..... 17th  52 ...... 25th  40
2nd  350 ..... 10th  102 ..... 18th  50 ...... 26th  39
3rd  284 ..... 11th  92 ...... 19th  48 ...... 27th  38
4th  220 ..... 12th  84 ...... 20th  46 ...... 28th  37
5th  194 ..... 13th  76 ...... 21st  44 ...... 29th  36
6th  170 ..... 14th  68 ...... 22nd  43 ...... 30th  35
7th  144 ..... 15th  62 ...... 23rd  42 ...... 31st  34
8th  120 ..... 16th  56 ...... 24th  41 ...... 32nd  33
33rd  32 ...... 41st  24 ...... 49th  16 ...... 57th  8
34th  31 ...... 42nd  23 ...... 50th  15 ...... 58th  7
35th  30 ...... 43rd  22 ...... 51st  14 ...... 59th  6
36th  29 ...... 44th  21 ...... 52nd  13 ...... 60th  5
37th  28 ...... 45th  20 ...... 53rd  12 ...... 61st  4
38th  27 ...... 46th  19 ...... 54th  11 ...... 62nd  3
39th  26 ...... 47th  18 ...... 55th  10 ...... 63rd  2
40th  25 ...... 48th  17 ...... 56th  9 ...... 64th  1

A 500 tournament hasn't always got a 64 draw, right? Like Rotterdam, that's 32.



12212008, 03:43 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
bollocks, the player ranked below 20 can go straight to no.1 winning AO
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12212008, 04:13 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
I think we should stay with the ranking system, which we've had until now. High scoring points in ATP won't prove in PAW. We unfortunately have much too high probability of an accidental winning, which is rather absent in ATP.



12212008, 05:06 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
I agree it's a good idea not to change the PAW points. The only unclear thing for me is how to map the tournaments to the correct points table. Let's take Doha, for example  should we use the 175, 200, 225 or 250 points table? And what about ATP 500 tournaments? We can't use the 500 points table because that will be for ATP 1000 tournaments.
The first solution that comes to my mind is to apply the 175 or 200 table for all ATP 250 tournaments and the 350 table for ATP 500 tournaments. Do you think that would work?
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12212008, 06:24 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
What do you think?
Rankings Points for GS:
Code:
1st  1000 .... 9th  237 ...... 17th  145 ...... 25th  107
2nd  700 ..... 10th  225 ...... 18th  140 ...... 26th  102
3rd  575 ..... 11th  212 ...... 19th  135 ...... 27th  98
4th  450 ..... 12th  200 ...... 20th  131 ...... 28th  93
5th  400 ..... 13th  187 ...... 21st  126 ...... 29th  88
6th  350 ..... 14th  175 ...... 22nd  121 ...... 30th  84
7th  300 ..... 15th  162 ...... 23rd  116 ...... 31st  79
8th  250 ..... 16th  150 ...... 24th  112 ...... 32nd  75
33rd  73 ...... 41st  63 ....... 49th  53 ....... 57th  43
34th  72 ...... 42nd  62 ....... 50th  52 ....... 58th  42
35th  71 ...... 43rd  61 ....... 51st  51 ....... 59th  41
36th  70 ...... 44th  60 ....... 52nd  50 ....... 60th  40
37th  68 ...... 45th  58 ....... 53rd  48 ....... 61st  38
38th  67 ...... 46th  57 ....... 54th  47 ....... 62nd  37
39th  66 ...... 47th  56 ....... 55th  46 ....... 63rd  36
40th  65 ...... 48th  55 ....... 56th  45 ....... 64th  35
65th  34 ...... 73rd  30 ....... 81st  25 ....... 89th  21
66th  33 ...... 74th  29 ....... 82sd  25 ....... 90th  21
67th  33 ...... 75th  29 ....... 83rd  24 ....... 91st  20
68th  32 ...... 76th  28 ....... 84th  24 ....... 92nd  20
69th  32 ...... 77th  28 ....... 85th  23 ....... 93rd  19
70th  31 ...... 78th  27 ....... 86th  23 ....... 94th  19
71st  31 ...... 79th  27 ....... 87th  22 ....... 95th  18
72nd  30 ...... 80th  26 ....... 88th  22 ....... 96th  18
97th  17 ...... 105th  13 ...... 113rd  8 ....... 121st  4
98th  16 ...... 106th  12 ...... 114th  8 ....... 122nd  4
99th  16 ...... 107th  12 ...... 115th  7 ....... 123rd  3
100th  15 ...... 108th  11 ...... 116th  7 ....... 124th  3
101st  15 ...... 109th  11 ...... 117th  6 ....... 125th  2
102nd  14 ...... 110th  10 ...... 118th  6 ....... 126th  2
103rd  14 ...... 111st  10 ...... 119th  5 ....... 127th  1
104th  13 ...... 112nd  9 ....... 120th  5 ....... 128th  1
Rankings Points for World Tour Masters 1000:
Code:
1st  500 ..... 9th  118 ..... 17th  72 ...... 25th  52
2nd  350 ..... 10th  112 ..... 18th  70 ...... 26th  50
3rd  287 ..... 11th  106 ..... 19th  67 ...... 27th  47
4th  225 ..... 12th  100 ..... 20th  65 ...... 28th  45
5th  200 ..... 13th  93 ...... 21st  62 ...... 29th  42
6th  175 ..... 14th  87 ...... 22nd  60 ...... 30th  40
7th  150 ..... 15th  81 ...... 23rd  57 ...... 31st  37
8th  125 ..... 16th  75 ...... 24th  55 ...... 32nd  35
33rd  34 ...... 41st  29 ...... 49th  24 ...... 57th  19
34th  33 ...... 42nd  28 ...... 50th  23 ...... 58th  18
35th  33 ...... 43rd  28 ...... 51st  23 ...... 59th  18
36th  32 ...... 44th  27 ...... 52nd  22 ...... 60th  17
37th  31 ...... 45th  26 ...... 53rd  21 ...... 61st  16
38th  31 ...... 46th  26 ...... 54th  21 ...... 62nd  16
39th  30 ...... 47th  25 ...... 55th  20 ...... 63rd  15
40th  30 ...... 48th  25 ...... 56th  20 ...... 64th  15
65th  14 ...... 73rd  11 ...... 81st  7 ....... 89th  4
66th  14 ...... 74th  10 ...... 82sd  7 ....... 90th  3
67th  13 ...... 75th  10 ...... 83rd  6 ....... 91st  3
68th  13 ...... 76th  9 ....... 84th  6 ....... 92nd  2
69th  12 ...... 77th  9 ....... 85th  5 ....... 93rd  2
70th  12 ...... 78th  8 ....... 86th  5 ....... 94th  1
71st  11 ...... 79th  8 ....... 87th  4 ....... 95th  1
72nd  11 ...... 80th  8 ....... 88th  4 ....... 96th  1
Rankings Points for World Tour 500:
Code:
1st  300 ..... 9th  68 ...... 17th  24 ...... 25th  19
2nd  210 ..... 10th  62 ...... 18th  23 ...... 26th  18
3rd  172 ..... 11th  56 ...... 19th  23 ...... 27th  18
4th  135 ..... 12th  50 ...... 20th  22 ...... 28th  17
5th  120 ..... 13th  43 ...... 21st  21 ...... 29th  16
6th  105 ..... 14th  37 ...... 22nd  21 ...... 30th  16
7th  90 ...... 15th  31 ...... 23rd  20 ...... 31st  15
8th  75 ...... 16th  25 ...... 24th  20 ...... 32nd  15
33rd  14 ...... 41st  11 ...... 49th  7 ....... 57th  4
34th  14 ...... 42nd  10 ...... 50th  7 ....... 58th  3
35th  13 ...... 43rd  10 ...... 51st  6 ....... 59th  3
36th  13 ...... 44th  9 ....... 52nd  6 ....... 60th  2
37th  12 ...... 45th  9 ....... 53rd  5 ....... 61st  2
38th  12 ...... 46th  8 ....... 54th  5 ....... 62nd  1
39th  11 ...... 47th  8 ....... 55th  4 ....... 63rd  1
40th  11 ...... 48th  8 ....... 56th  4 ....... 64th  1
Rankings Points for World Tour 500 (32 players):
Code:
1st  300 ..... 9th  68 ...... 17th  23 ...... 25th  11
2nd  210 ..... 10th  62 ...... 18th  22 ...... 26th  10
3rd  172 ..... 11th  56 ...... 19th  20 ...... 27th  8
4th  135 ..... 12th  50 ...... 20th  19 ...... 28th  7
5th  120 ..... 13th  43 ...... 21st  17 ...... 29th  5
6th  105 ..... 14th  37 ...... 22nd  16 ...... 30th  4
7th  90 ...... 15th  31 ...... 23rd  14 ...... 31st  2
8th  75 ...... 16th  25 ...... 24th  13 ...... 32nd  1
Rankings Points for World Tour 250:
Code:
1st  200 ..... 9th  46 ...... 17th  19 ...... 25th  14
2nd  140 ..... 10th  42 ...... 18th  18 ...... 26th  13
3rd  115 ..... 11th  38 ...... 19th  18 ...... 27th  13
4th  90 ...... 12th  35 ...... 20th  17 ...... 28th  12
5th  80 ...... 13th  31 ...... 21st  16 ...... 29th  11
6th  70 ...... 14th  27 ...... 22nd  16 ...... 30th  11
7th  60 ...... 15th  23 ...... 23rd  15 ...... 31st  10
8th  50 ...... 16th  20 ...... 24th  15 ...... 32nd  10
33rd  9 ....... 41st  7 ....... 49th  5 ....... 57th  2
34th  9 ....... 42nd  7 ....... 50th  4 ....... 58th  2
35th  9 ....... 43rd  6 ....... 51st  4 ....... 59th  2
36th  8 ....... 44th  6 ....... 52nd  4 ....... 60th  2
37th  8 ....... 45th  6 ....... 53rd  4 ....... 61st  1
38th  8 ....... 46th  6 ....... 54th  3 ....... 62nd  1
39th  8 ....... 47th  5 ....... 55th  3 ....... 63rd  1
40th  7 ....... 48th  5 ....... 56th  3 ....... 64th  1
Rankings Points for World Tour 250 (32 players):
Code:
1st  200 ..... 9th  45 ...... 17th  14 ...... 25th  7
2nd  140 ..... 10th  41 ...... 18th  13 ...... 26th  6
3rd  115 ..... 11th  36 ...... 19th  12 ...... 27th  5
4th  90 ...... 12th  32 ...... 20th  11 ...... 28th  4
5th  80 ...... 13th  28 ...... 21st  10 ...... 29th  3
6th  70 ...... 14th  23 ...... 22nd  9 ....... 30th  2
7th  60 ...... 15th  19 ...... 23rd  8 ....... 31st  1
8th  50 ...... 16th  15 ...... 24th  8 ....... 32nd  1
Rankings Points for TMC:
Code:
1st  750 ..... 9th  177
2nd  525 ..... 10th  168
3rd  431 ..... 11th  159
4th  337 ..... 12th  150
5th  300 ..... 13th  140
6th  262 ..... 14th  131
7th  225 ..... 15th  121
8th  187 ..... 16th  112
Last edited by robuś : 01312009 at 09:26 AM.



12212008, 06:46 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
It seems fine to me assuming that there will also be 32player versions for ATP 250 and 500 tournaments
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12212008, 09:07 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
The only way to incorporate the new higher ATP ranking points system is to double up all the PAW ranking points from the 2008 season, so that the scenario described by scarecrows cannot happen. No doubt this is a massive task for robus, so I say we go with the ranking points suggested by robus in post #9. As Evita has suggested, it is also probably a good idea to include ranking points for 32 player draws in the ATP 250 and 500 tournaments.
I will delete the ranking points from my post #3 to avoid any further confusion.



12242008, 02:20 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evita
It seems fine to me assuming that there will also be 32player versions for ATP 250 and 500 tournaments

Yep, seems good for me too
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01032009, 09:33 AM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdtoot
it is also probably a good idea to include ranking points for 32 player draws in the ATP 250 and 500 tournaments.

done



01032009, 05:52 PM

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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
don't we give too much for "250"?
it's 1/5 points of GS for a winner, ATP gives 1/8



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Re: 2009 PAW Ranking Points Distribution
i actually think we are giving enough and the ATP is giving too little :P
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