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View Poll Results: Will he win a clay title

No 46 35.38%
He will win an ATP 250 26 20.00%
He will win an ATP 500 26 20.00%
He will win a MS title (yeah right!) 20 15.38%
He will do the unthinkable and win Roland Garros 12 9.23%
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Old 03-09-2008, 04:42 AM   #16
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

because he didnt played on clay having this level

in 2006 he wasnt the good player that he is right now

last year was injuried
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Old 03-09-2008, 04:58 AM   #17
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

Let him play a full season on the surface.
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Simple answer: He's from Britian
Isn't this the same country where that Roland Garros semi-finalist Tim Henman came from?
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

Not enough evidence at the moment as we have only seen the 2006 season from him. Importantly, his fitness was crap back then, a mildly important factor on clay.
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

As everyone has said, still too early to say for sure that he is "not good" on the surface, however, compare him to Hewitt. Both are perceived counter-punchers, and both of their success has come on faster surfaces. Personally, I think their minimal topspin has a lot to do with it. The majority of FO winners are clay specialists, and therein are heavy topspin players. I'm not sure if a pure counter puncher has ever been spectacular on the surface-certainly not one with flatter than topspinnier shots.

Look at Agassi. He won the French, but he was a much more gifted player than either Hewitt or Murray. And even he lost two other finals to better clay court players than himself, though he was a "better player" than either of them...
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

how about he gets a full clay season and then you make your mind up?
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

He looked pretty comfortable on the stuff in the set he played last year. I'm betting he makes at least the quarters at RG.
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

you're forgetting his loss to Simon in Rome. He was recovering from injury then as well though.

Agree with the general sentiment of the thread. It's too early to tell but his stamina is still suspect and with his current style he'll have to rally for eternity against any half decent clay courter.
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

Murray is a very good clay court player, many hours out here working on the clay,
we will see this in the near future, he knows how to work the dirt as well as anyone
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Default Re: Why is Murray not good on clay?

Muzza has said in the past that clay is his best surface.....

I can't say I agree with him, but I guess he knows his game better than I do.
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Default Andy Murray on clay........

I just wanted to discuss his realistic hopes in the future on the clay, please re-direct me if there is another thread already.

Murray has always stated that he enjoys clay court tennis, and had success as a junior however it'll be interetsting to see much sucess he really has. Tactically he was playing a very smart match against Volandri last year before his wrist injury and his intelligence will always get him a few wins. However, one match here and there surely won't be good enough. He probably needs a title on clay and i struggle to see him getting that.

Do people here really think he has that big weapon on clay to manoeuvre his opponent around? As far as i can see, he has great natural hand eye coordination, tremendous balance, hands and retrieval skills. Every now and then he'll suprise a good clay-courter with them having a bad day. But over a tournament i think his lack of a big shot and limited work he puts on the ball will ultimately always cost him.
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Default Re: Andy Murray on clay........

I hope he beats Nadal (impossible). But I really hope he does it! You know, with magic or something. xD
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I just wanted to discuss his realistic hopes in the future on the clay, please re-direct me if there is another thread already.

Murray has always stated that he enjoys clay court tennis, and had success as a junior however it'll be interetsting to see much sucess he really has. Tactically he was playing a very smart match against Volandri last year before his wrist injury and his intelligence will always get him a few wins. However, one match here and there surely won't be good enough. He probably needs a title on clay and i struggle to see him getting that.

Do people here really think he has that big weapon on clay to manoeuvre his opponent around? As far as i can see, he has great natural hand eye coordination, tremendous balance, hands and retrieval skills. Every now and then he'll suprise a good clay-courter with them having a bad day. But over a tournament i think his lack of a big shot and limited work he puts on the ball will ultimately always cost him.
Murray's weakest part of the game (mental strength aside) is his physical fitness (plus he's prone to injuries). Given that clay is the most physically demanding surface of all, I do not see him having very good results, especially in French Open. If in 2-3 years he improves his physical fitness significantly than maybe he has a chance of getting to semis.
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Murray destroyed volandri last year on clay then got injured.

Murray reminds me of agassi on clay.

See no reason why it cant become a good surface for him in the future
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