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Old 08-13-2006, 05:27 PM   #1
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Salut tou le monde!

je suis tombé sur le topic Entry list (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=80619) dans le forum du tournoi de Cincinnati.
Je ne comprends pas bien comment ces joueurs sont placés dans la liste et à quoi correspondent vraiment les numéros en face des joueurs.
Lleyton hewitt n'est par exemple pas n°9 mondial ?
cest bien le classment technique qui et pris en compte ?

Ensuite, il y a surement pour actualiser des messages comme ça :

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(One SE spot to be cleared)
OUT: Ancic, Andreev, Verkerk (and F.Mayer, Muller from ALT)
IN: Gasquet, Martin, Horna
NEXT: Mirnyi, Bracciali, Volandri, Clement, Calleri, Bjorkman, Karlovic
"

quels sont les éléments pris en compte pour rédiger ces listes d'actualisation ?

Pouvez-vous m'aider pour toutes ces questions,

grd merci d'avance !!!!!

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Old 08-19-2006, 06:55 PM   #2
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personne pour m'aider ?
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Old 08-19-2006, 07:45 PM   #3
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salut

C'est bien le classement technique qui est pris en compte. Hewitt est actuellement 11e mais les entry listes sont faites bien avant le début des tournois, donc sans doute était il 9e à ce moment là ...
Pour les actualisations... je ne suis pas sûre de comprendre ta question...
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:01 PM   #4
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salut damita !!!

merci de me répondre c'est sympa !!
En effet pour hewitt, je viens de voir qu'il était n°9 fin juin 2006 !!

Mais tous ces entry list, c'est la personne qui créé le topic qui la rédige ou ce'st accessible sur 1 site ??

Pour les actualisations, comment ils savent les OUT ? (forfait donc) c'est communiqué sur un site ? et sinon je voulais savoir combien de joueurs sont admis direct dans le tableau d'un tournoi ?

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ah ok. Euh oui je suppose qu'ils prennent les listes sur les sites web des tournois. Chaque site de tournoi annonce la liste des joueurs attendus, et ce des semaines avant le début du tournoi. Ils y ont tout intérêt d'ailleurs: plus vite ils annoncent les grands noms du circuit qui seront présents, plus la billetterie a des chances de macher

Pour ce qui est des forfaits, perso je connais peu de sites de tournois qui actualisent leur liste rapidement de ce point de vue. Mais il y a plein d'autres moyens d'apprendre qui est forfait, par les journaux, la télé/les radios, les sites web style eurosport, ou encore les sites officiels des joueurs quand ils en ont un. Après la nouvelle circule vite, donc même si le site du tournoi n'a pas encore rayer le nom du joueur de la liste, il est facile pour la personne sur le forum qui a créé le thread de modifier la liste.

Enfin pour ce qui est du nombre de joeurs admis dans un tournoi, ça dépend de la taille du tournoi. Il y a plus d'admis directs dans un grand chelem que dans un masters series, lequel admet lui-même un plus grand nombre de joueurs qu'un tournoi 'classique'. Je n'ai pas les chiffres en tête mais je pense que ça doit pouvoir se trouver sur le site de l'ATP.
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Ca y est, j'ai trouvé:

Code:
6.09 THE DRAW

A.Minimum Draw Size
1)  With the exception of the Tennis Masters Cup, the minimum singles draw 
size for an ATP Tournament is as follows:

ATP Masters Series / Outdoors                        64 Draw
ATP Masters Series / Indoors                         48 Draw
International Series Gold / Outdoors                 48 Draw
International Series Gold / Indoors                  32 Draw
International Series / Indoors & Outdoors            32 Draw

2)  Doubles draw sizes may be found under "Composition of Draws".

B. Composition of Draws
1) Main Draw Singles: The singles main draw shall be composed as follows:

a) ATP Masters Series Tournaments:

Total       Direct                       Wild        Special
Accepted  Acceptances   Qualifiers       Cards       Exempts
   48       38-39            6              3          0-1
   64       51-52            8              4          0-1
   96       78-79           12              5          0-1

b) International Series Gold & International Series Tournaments:

Total       Direct                       Wild        Special
Accepted  Acceptances   Qualifiers       Cards       Exempts
   32       23-25           4               3          0-2
   48       36-38           6               4          0-2*
   56       42-44           7               5          0-2*
   64       50-51           8               5          0-1
   96       77-78          12               6          0-1
*Two (2) applies to International Series Tournaments Only

c) Challenger Series Tournaments:

Total       Direct                       Wild        Special
Accepted  Acceptances   Qualifiers       Cards       Exempts
   32       22-24           4               4          0-2
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Super, merci beaucoup pour toutes ces précisions !!
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Mais tous ces entry list, c'est la personne qui créé le topic qui la rédige ou ce'st accessible sur 1 site ??

Pour les actualisations, comment ils savent les OUT ? (forfait donc) c'est communiqué sur un site ?
Je crois que pratiquement toutes les infos de ce style sur MTF viennent du forum Stevegtennis http://www.stevegtennis.com/forum/ , pas des annonces dans la presse ni des sites des tournois.
Les infos des threads "Early Commitments" viennent d'articles, de sites de joueurs et de sites de tournois, mais pas les "entry lists" ni ces annonces "officielles" de forfaits sous la forme que tu as citée.

Sur le forum Steveg, il y a des gens qui ont des contacts avec l'ATP, manifestement, et quand ils donnent les listes sous cette forme, c'est sûr, c'est béton, ce sont des infos de l'ATP. Je n'ai jamais vu une seule erreur.

Maintenant, comme c'est un forum, il y a aussi des gens qui peuvent aller écrire dans le fil consacré à un tournoi des trucs comme "Monfils est forfait d'après Eurosport" ou ce genre d'infos pas fiables. Il ne faut pas confondre avec les annonces officielles des inscriptions et des forfaits, ce sont celles qui sont publiées par Smucav, R. Jayakrishnan, etc. Tu les reconnais rapidement.

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Un nouveau thread et j'y sers à rien
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Et c'est pour ça que tu as posté dedans
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Oui j'aime parler pour ne rien dire

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Cela m'arrive aussi
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