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Old 06-07-2014, 08:14 PM   #1291
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Another thing I noticed from the speech that is out of touch with reality is expectation to completely fulfill the dream of west Ukrainians to "go back" to Europe without losing the east, let that loss be actual loss, let it be a civil war.. But it is foolish to expect nothing else with the intense feelings and roots in the east.. The reason for this is relations between east Ukrainians and Russia are much more than Europe.. It is practically impossible to ignore.. The only way for west Ukrainians to go completely west is to lose the east or kill every eastern.. It is a very harsh situation that could face any politician, surely Poroshenko and mature generation in the west know life is not about 100% fulfilling your dreams but the younger generations in the west will say no to any compromise leading to any leader trying to reach their levels of immaturity.. Only war and time makes the person mature unfortunately..

With every day of the war it looks like Ukraine will be 2 countries, this decade or the next decade.. No one knows..

About Slavyansk now, the city is going to full destruction phase and humanitarian crisis..

In other cities too fights didn't stop after the speech even for minutes, I thought that may be after talking about peace any sign of pausing the war may happen, but it is going non stop as in any other stupid war.. No one seems working for real peace.. No one seems to even think for one second about peaceful tomorrow, why don't they stop the war for a week and negotiate? Surely this week is not going to change their positions if they wanted to resume the war again.. But may be because the 2 groups know and already hate each-others, no side is shocked by the other side, no side is giving the benefit of doubt to the other one.. which gives another deep impression of the division in Ukraine.. It is hard to imagine a united Ukraine any more.. It would be such 100% foolishness to do so.. But any thing could happen..

I read news from all sites about this crises.. I feel disgusted by those who think we have an IQ of a cat and insist on ignoring the truth..
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Because we can.

People discuss what interests them. You won't get expertise in the tennis section, either, by the way.
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Cleo stop posting, you're going to bankrupt the Russian treasury.
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Conflicting reports about a ceasefire although shelling is still.. Lets hope it is true at least children should go to safe place.. We will see..
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Stopfake.org

A crowd-funded site that tracks down false news about the Ukraine and photos/videos that have been manipulated or taken out of context.

Like this one, which was posted earlier in this thread:



demonstrably taken during the filming of a Russian movie called "We're the Future" back in 2008.
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Stopfake.org

A crowd-funded site that tracks down false news about the Ukraine and photos/videos that have been manipulated or taken out of context.

Like this one, which was posted earlier in this thread:



demonstrably taken during the filming of a Russian movie called "We're the Future" back in 2008.
I expect Ekstremista to post pictures from Saving Private Ryan next. Or maybe Apocalypse Now.
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I expect Ekstremista to post pictures from Saving Private Ryan next. Or maybe Apocalypse Now.
Yet you didn't reply about my real videos and photos about the same situation..

Any way lets hope peace occurs lets hope current negotiations will bring a solution, although fighting is still happening, in the last 2 days there were real tries to prevent civilians suffering which is an extremely good step.. Days and the truth will appear.. We will see..
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seems like peace negotiations are not succeeding.. War still going.. Dont know if white phosphorus usage is true, this usage should not.. We will see.. May be a miracle peace could happen!
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I expect Ekstremista to post pictures from Saving Private Ryan next. Or maybe Apocalypse Now.
That fake photo is a perfect example of successful Russian propaganda.
Everybody thought it was real, because they already saw what barbaric crimes were committed by Kiev hunta in the videos and photos from Odessa, Mariupol and Luhansk.

Unfortunately these are not screenshots from some Hollywood horror or war movie.
These terrifying images are real, and they are showing the true-monstrous face of the fascist Kiev regime and their sponsors from the White House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2msVMvGo_o

http://www.prisonplanet.com/they-nee...y-graphic.html






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That fake photo is a perfect example of successful Russian propaganda.
Everybody thought it was real, because they already saw what barbaric crimes were committed by Kiev hunta in the videos and photos from Odessa, Mariupol and Luhansk.
You mean other pictures and videos spread by paid Russian internet "activists"?

Far too many people are willing to believe whatever they get to see on the social networks.
And they're just as willing to be instrumentalised and share these things without questioning.
That's what makes this particular propaganda strategy so effective.
Its only shortcoming: You can create as big an outrage on the internet as you want, it's not going to last. Internet outrages never do.
But that doesn't make exploiting the actual suffering of people in the Ukraine for a political agenda any less disgusting.
That's all I have to say to you.
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You mean other pictures and videos spread by paid Russian internet "activists"?
Again the paid stupid stuff?

There are no paid people.. problem for you is majority of "PEOPLE" in south east Ukraine don't share your own opinion of what you and others want to force upon them.. You can't accept the truth that it was people in those areas who for example went to the referendum. So you create all this stupid talk about paid internet activists that no one will believe because what you gonna say? That you support killing people because they don't agree with you?

Any way, I still hope that somehow they will reach peace deal.. They can't go in war all the time like the middle east.. Although this hope is very small now have to admit.. Shelling and fighting still happen non stop..
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