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Old 03-08-2013, 05:34 PM   #31
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

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Every pro in the video you watched

Not saying he doesn't but you said what 6 pros all said Isner? Maybe the top 100 were all asked and they only showed the 6 that said Isner because they had an Isner bias. Maybe 94 said Raonic

Don't believe everything you see
Actually, a group more agreed with them in a "ATP Miami - Perfect Player: Serve" interview, including Raonic himself.

http://www.sonyopentennis.com/Media/...yer-Serve.aspx

It's pretty unanimous.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:34 PM   #32
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

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Every pro in the video you watched

Not saying he doesn't but you said what 6 pros all said Isner? Maybe the top 100 were all asked and they only showed the 6 that said Isner because they had an Isner bias. Maybe 94 said Raonic

Don't believe everything you see
Anyway, I saw several pros saying that Raonic had a better first serve than Isner in their opinion.

I haven't seen the video yet (can't see youtube at work) but when was it made (it has a big influence as in the beginning of 2012, Raonic was stil too recent in many people's eyes to be considered seriously enough) and was Raonic explicitly mentioned in the question or not ?

EDIT : I saw the first video, it was in january 2013 but with only 3 players.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:40 PM   #33
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Isner only serve better

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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Serve:Isner
Forehand:Isner
Backhand:Raonic(it's not that good,but isner has no backhand)
Volley:Raonic
Endurance:Isner(just bcuz of that unbelieveble match at wimbledon)
Power:Isner
Overall better player:Even tho isner score 4 and raonic 2,i think the canadian is the better player,he has the mental edge,and a more complete game.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

I've heard many people say Isner has the best serve, and I've heard people say Raonic has the best serve.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Isner's serve is the only part of his game which is better than Raonic's, and that's mainly to do with his second serve which is arguably the best the game has ever seen.

Also not only is the rest of Raonic's game better he also has far bigger room for improvement.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Serve: Isner
Forehand: Raonic
Backhand: Raonic
Volley: Raonic
Endurance: Isner
Power: Isner
Movement: Raonic
Overall better player: Raonic
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Serve: Isner
Forehand: Raonic
Backhand: Raonic
Volley: Raonic
Endurance: Isner
Power: Isner
Movement: Raonic
Overall better player: Raonic
Change that, and I agree. Raonic first serve is now better also.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Nothing changed. Isner clearly the better server, Raonic clearly better at basically everything else and therefore the better overall player.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:21 AM   #41
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Serve: Raonic
Forehand: Raonic
Backhand: Isner
Volley: Raonic
Endurance: Isner
Power: Raonic
Overall better player: Raonic

You forgot movement, but Raonic has the edge there too.

Raonic is already as good as Isner has been at any point in his career and is still getting better all the time. Milos has shown flashes of great play...he just has to get more consistent with it. He'll reach heights that Isner never has and never will.
A year later, I'd probably give Milos the edge over Isner on BH and endurance now. I've changed my mind, though, on serve. Isner takes that category for me after watching his ridiculous display in Cinci first hand last year.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Serve: Tough, Raonic has a better first serve, Isner has a better second serve. Isner follows up on his serve better.
Forehand: Raonic
Backhand: Undecided
Volley: Raonic
Endurance: Undecided
Power: Raonic
Overall better player: Isner has had the better career *in general* so far, but Raonic is much younger and has potential for improvement - and also has 500 titles unlike Isner. So probably Raonic
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Serve: Raonic
Forehand: Raonic
Backhand: Raonic
Volley: Raonic
Endurance: isner
Power: Raonic
Movement: Raonic

Overall better player: Raonic

He'll have a much more accomplished career once he gets to isner's age.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

1st Serve:Raonic
2nd Serve: Isner
Forehand: Raonic by a hair
Backhand:Raonic(not good but getting better, plus he wins this by default as Isner has no BH generally)
Volley:Raonic
Endurance: Toss-up (Isner has the rep after the Mahut match, yet I've actually seen many matches where he physically wilts. Raonic tends to wilt in BO5 matches as well)
Power: Toss-up. Not sure in 2014 who does, Raonic seems to be growing into his power, plus players peak power is often in later 20's so I'd guess Raonic has a higher power ceiling.

Movement & Footwork:
Raonic.
Overall better player: Raonic, more complete, higher potential, better mental make it pretty easy.
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Default Re: John Isner / Milos Raonic

Their first serve is close, but IMO Raonic has a definite edge. More pace and better placement, Isner has more variety of spins. John also clearly has a better second serve. Raonic moves better (not saying much) and has a slightly better backhand.
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