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Old 10-08-2013, 10:36 PM   #31
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The only people who call Sampras a serve-bot are:

A) People who were too young to see him play

B) Bitter Agassi fans
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The term servebot was only invented by Dulltards to make fun of players who can actually hit the most important shot in tennis. Somehow running for miles and looping moonballs is more respectable to Dulltards than being able to serve well and have the balls to be aggressive.

Truly dark times we are in.
Only people with concentration issues enjoy one strike tennis.

Everyone I knew as a youngster growing up hated Pete Sampras and his brand of tennis. Bots are rightly despised as they drive casual fans away from the sport. Raonic and co will be the death of tennis.
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The only people who call Sampras a serve-bot are:

A) People who were too young to see him play

B) Bitter Agassi fans
C) Dulltards
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Only people with concentration issues enjoy one strike tennis.

Everyone I knew as a youngster growing up hated Pete Sampras and his brand of tennis. Bots are rightly despised as they drive casual fans away from the sport. Raonic and co will be the death of tennis.
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His baseline game is insane in this match-



The court is slow as shit.
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Definitely one of the slower courts, surprised Agassi didn't win.
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Definitely one of the slower courts, surprised Agassi didn't win.
Sampras won as many Masters titles in IW + Miami as he did in the other four HC/Carpet tourneys combined. A bit surprising in hindsight.
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Definitely one of the slower courts, surprised Agassi didn't win.
Not on this thread but at other times on this forum I've read the huge myth that all non-clay courts in the 90s were fast when that blatantly wasn't true. There were plenty of slow hard court events around and some slow indoor events as well like the Moscow Kremlin Cup. Overall there was a pretty healthy balance between fast and slow surfaces on the circuit, which I wish we still had nowadays.

Sampras was excellent on slow hard courts as well, and until pre 1996 played mostly from the baseline on the surface. Annacone then wanted to him to the serve-volley more on all surfaces and not just grass, so in 1996 he began to serve-volley regularly on 1st serves and stay back on 2nd serves. Then after his herniated disc injury in 1999, he became a flat out serve-volleyer on 1st and 2nd serves on all surfaces.

The funny thing is that people look at him beating Agassi all 4 times they played at the US Open, and Agassi winning both of their Australian Open matches, and assume that he owned Agassi on fast hard courts and that Agassi owned him on slow ones.

However when Agassi beat Sampras at the 2000 AO, the rebound ace was playing incredibly fast that year. The organisers had sped up the surface noticeably to help out Rafter and Philippoussis. Sampras served a career high 37 aces in their SF, and Agassi won a lot of free points on his serve as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ten...17/sampras_ap/

Plus I would say that the US Open surface was medium paced when Sampras had his best period there from 1993-1996, including beating Agassi in the 1995 final. A lot of players like Ivanisevic complained about the US Open surface being slowed down in the early 90s, and with Agassi being US tennis's big star and other members of the fab four Courier and Chang preferring slower surfaces, you could understand the USTA's logic. In that period the USA were hosting Davis Cup ties on clay and slow indoor surfaces.

The courts there were sped up in 1997 and slowed down slightly in 2001, though they still played fast after that change.

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Not on this thread but at other times on this forum I've read the huge myth that all non-clay courts in the 90s were fast when that blatantly wasn't true. There were plenty of slow hard court events around and some slow indoor events as well like the Moscow Kremlin Cup. Overall there was a pretty healthy balance between fast and slow surfaces on the circuit, which I wish we still had nowadays.

Sampras was excellent on slow hard courts as well, and until pre 1996 played mostly from the baseline on the surface. Annacone then wanted to him to the serve-volley more on all surfaces and not just grass, so in 1996 he began to serve-volley regularly on 1st serves and stay back on 2nd serves. Then after his herniated disc injury in 1999, he became a flat out serve-volleyer on 1st and 2nd serves on all surfaces.

The funny thing is that people look at him beating Agassi all 4 times they played at the US Open, and Agassi winning both of their Australian Open matches, and assume that he owned Agassi on fast hard courts and that Agassi owned him on slow ones.

However when Agassi beat Sampras at the 2000 AO, the rebound ace was playing incredibly fast that year. The organisers had sped up the surface noticeably to help out Rafter and Philippoussis. Sampras served a career high 37 aces in their SF, and Agassi won a lot of free points on his serve as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ten...17/sampras_ap/

Plus I would say that the US Open surface was medium paced when Sampras had his best period there from 1993-1996, including beating Agassi in the 1995 final. A lot of players like Ivanisevic complained about the US Open surface being slowed down in the early 90s, and with Agassi being US tennis's big star and other members of the fab four Courier and Chang preferring slower surfaces, you could understand the USTA's logic. In that period the USA were hosting Davis Cup ties on clay and slow indoor surfaces.

The courts there were sped up in 1997 and slowed down slightly in 2001, though they still played fast after that change.
I understand them perfectly. What I understand less is their reluctance to make it fast in recent years, seeing as they have no slow-court specialist nowadays and plenty of fast-court ones.
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I understand them perfectly. What I understand less is their reluctance to make it fast in recent years, seeing as they have no slow-court specialist nowadays and plenty of fast-court ones.
Yes exactly a crazy decision, and something that does frustrate me. The best thing to help the popularity of tennis there, would be for US players to perform consistently well at their home grand slam, but the USTA aren't exactly doing their best to make that happen.

Also with two hard court slams, I would prefer for one to be fast and the other to be slow. If they were both fast I'd be complaining that one of them should be slowed down in the interests of variety as well.
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I definitely agree with No1emania. Recently there was a thread about it and somebody posted some statistics about it - average number of aces and I don't remember what else. It didn't support that famous myth about faster courts in 90s. But now I can't find that post.
Courts on average were much, much faster in the '90s. This is proven by testimonies of all the players who actually have played over both eras. It is also visually obvious that the game has got much slower. This is no surprise, since there was a conscious effort by the powers to slow down the game! It's all well documented what they did and why - no secret!

Ace number which has been used to bolster the claim that the courts have become faster are not useful in this analysis, since the game has changed in so many respects: schedule is very different, there is no more separate clay tour like there was in the '80s and '90s. String technology has made it easier to spin serves in and makes it easier for big, tall players to play from the baseline. Etc.
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