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Old 08-04-2013, 09:39 PM   #1831
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One of the fittest guys around, Haas is redefining age in tennis in my view. I have never seen a player in his mid 30ties play like Haas is right now. I watched Agassi in 2005 when he was also 35, but he did not looked like Haas, Agassi was stocky and it was visible the loss of speed, he would not go for every ball, he was staying on the top of the game by using great timing, power and being smart.

Haas at 35 is playing like a 25 years old great offense, defense, grinding when he needs to, not worried about long rallies be it on clay or hard courts. I mean, I admire Tommy and I hope he keeps this up, but in I would not put my hand on the fire that he was not using the best possible "resources" to do what he is doing, of course it is suspicious and of course, i would not put my hand i nthe fire for when Agassi was in his mid 30s also.
Agreeg. The big amount of 30+ yo tennis players currently succeeding is odd. Haas, Robredo, Ferrer, Serena etc etc.
On the one hand I really admire them. But then I remember that most players retired before reaching 30 in the '80s or '90s, and those who didn't went downhill...
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:57 PM   #1832
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So youre saying that the former WADA boss has no clue about doping.
I don't know about that, I'm just saying his examples make no sense at all. Connors retired when he was 40 and played over 1500 matches, that kind of numbers are simply crazy and could hardly be achieved by someone whose stamina and endurance were lacking
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If he is saying that all the top pros are dopers and he was the head of those responsible for that not to were so, then is clear he hasn't. He is confessing his own incompetence.
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If he is saying that all the top pros are dopers and he was the head of those responsible for that not to were so, then is clear he hasn't. He is confessing his own incompetence.
Not really fair - WADA are rather hamstrung by the ITFs inability (unwillingness?) to crack down on doping.
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Not really fair - WADA are rather hamstrung by the ITFs inability (unwillingness?) to crack down on doping.
He is targeting cycling, athletics, swimming, tennis, soccer, basketball, baseball and American Football.
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haha dick pound, what a dick
(btw i did see mc enroe playing at USO 4 yrs ago, yes he was little old man with his game already now

peaking at 30 or after 30 is not even that strange, i was always saying this "why no teens in the top 100" threads - that's exactly the reason... we live longer, we peak later, 30 is basically the new 25 - just look at yourself and your friends... people don't have children at 18 anymore either, they like having them in mid 30s! it doesn't mean women of today are doping

all things like breaks in career (Haas, Serena, Boredo) extend their longevity of career. Ferrer on the other hand for many years was a journeyman from nowhere, he was gradually improving himself, but he's still fairly new at the top - what gives him physical and mental margin for success after 30 (let's not forget mentality and burn out syndrome!)

people at 25-40 more or less at their peak of vital powers - i am not a sports medicine specialist, but i look at everyday life - this is when we graduate and do all the volunteer jobs to put into CV, this is when we stay aftr hours to build our position in the company, this is when we have children, don't sleep at nights because of them, we handle building a house or paying a credit, and we avoid most of the sicknesses, or at least our bodies regenerate them quickly

to me keeping high level in sport at this age looks fair enough
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So, that "little old man" at the age of 39 played a nearly 5 hour long best of 5 match against a 24 year old and won? And went into semifinals? Double standards ftw
The 90's = the EPO era.
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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Dick Pound is a fucking hero. The man knows more about doping than anyone of us.
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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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Dick Pound is a fucking hero. The man knows more about doping than anyone of us.
He was a lawyer and a guy trying to prosper in the Olympic hierarchy playing his cards so I doubt it .
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I see the river of denial is still running very deep around here. Considering that even chess players, professional bowlers and archers have tested positive for PEDs, it's only reasonable to think that doping is also prevalent amongst tennis players because they have so much more to gain from it than athletes in fringe sports.

It looks like the doping doctors have already found a replacement for EPO:

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In which case... look for the resulting suspiciously high levels of endogenous erythropoietin, or high haematocrit.
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What is the question? She has her mother's genes and doesn't do a lot of cardio.
You mean genetic crack, correct? Likely the only thing Serena hasn't put in her body: The Williams Sisters – Drugs, Deceit and Deception
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I don't know about that, I'm just saying his examples make no sense at all. Connors retired when he was 40 and played over 1500 matches, that kind of numbers are simply crazy and could hardly be achieved by someone whose stamina and endurance were lacking
yeah but Connors played a bunch of rinky dink tournaments to get those numbers up. I'm sure if Federer wanted to play till he's 40 and were to play tournaments where the players are all ranked below 100 he too could have record titles. Take a look at a photo of McEnroe in his prime vs. Nadal and tell me one doesn't look like a featherweight and the other a heavyweight. Actually one looks like a gymnast and the other a boxer.
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yeah but Connors played a bunch of rinky dink tournaments to get those numbers up. I'm sure if Federer wanted to play till he's 40 and were to play tournaments where the players are all ranked below 100 he too could have record titles. Take a look at a photo of McEnroe in his prime vs. Nadal and tell me one doesn't look like a featherweight and the other a heavyweight. Actually one looks like a gymnast and the other a boxer.
Why does one need to go to McEnroe ? Take a look at Federer / with 1000+ matches played/ and Nadal / 700+ matches/ you will see the difference and you can go five or more years ago and Nadal looks bigger and bigger
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Why does one need to go to McEnroe ? Take a look at Federer / with 1000+ matches played/ and Nadal / 700+ matches/ you will see the difference and you can go five or more years ago and Nadal looks bigger and bigger
I only referenced JMac because Time Violation mentioned him in an earlier post and we were talking about what Dick Pound said.
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