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Old 06-22-2013, 06:42 PM   #16
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Default Re: Is Nadal a step slower these days?

All athletes lost something of speed and 'explosiveness' after 10 years playing as professionals, specially if they have had some issue in their key joints, but they usually improve resistance without practicing so long. It happens in every sport I know, tennis, basketball, soccer. But speed is not the only factor in the performance. Experience, technique improvements, better knowledge of the game come to rescue.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:53 PM   #17
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Nadal gets faster as technology advances. Players today hit harder, run faster, can go for 9 hours in matches without getting tired, ... I wonder why ... hm... Maybe it's diet and training.
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We're talking about his quickness, not his level of play. He isn't faster now than he was from 2004-2008, just like Federer wasn't faster in 2011 than in 2005.
He is not slower either and the results this year prove that this is an irrelevant discussion.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:57 PM   #19
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he may be slower, however he makes it up with snitching.
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Default Re: Is Nadal a step slower these days?

What I noticed especially at RG is a bit of hesitation instead of loss of speed, almost as if he thinks twice about running.
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Laughable thread. The guy wins a tour leading 7 tournaments out of 9 played and only loses 4 sets on his best surface at RG and yet some people are already writing his obituary
You speak as if you didn't know that:

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And he only played 1 event outside clay for a year, at IW, without having to meet 2 best current players on that surface. Hardly relevant.
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #22
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Slower naturally, but with a better all round game to compensate, and his defence is still ridiculous. The main sign of decline lately is consistency. He'll rarely go a whole match or tournament playing at a really high level like he could at his peak. He still turns it on in the quarters/semis and is still capable of reaching the same level as before (see the 5th set against Djokovic) but it's intermittent. There's more clowning around and losing sets to nobodies. Exact same thing happened to Federer from 08 onwards.
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He's not slower no. He still gets to balls no player in the history of the game would get to and makes winners off them. He did it time and time again vs Djokovic. He doesn't decline for some reason.
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Slower naturally, but with a better all round game to compensate, and his defence is still ridiculous. The main sign of decline lately is consistency. He'll rarely go a whole match or tournament playing at a really high level like he could at his peak. He still turns it on in the quarters/semis and is still capable of reaching the same level as before (see the 5th set against Djokovic) but it's intermittent. There's more clowning around and losing sets to nobodies. Exact same thing happened to Federer from 08 onwards.
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Slower naturally, but with a better all round game to compensate, and his defence is still ridiculous. The main sign of decline lately is consistency. He'll rarely go a whole match or tournament playing at a really high level like he could at his peak. He still turns it on in the quarters/semis and is still capable of reaching the same level as before (see the 5th set against Djokovic) but it's intermittent. There's more clowning around and losing sets to nobodies. Exact same thing happened to Federer from 08 onwards.
I agree. His best seem to be as good as it was, but he seems to have lost some consistency. He played incredible in last RG final, but had slumps in many matches at earlier stages.
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Allez, purely on speed, Rafa is slower than he was in 2005.

He moves best on clay so it will be interesting to see how he does on grass and hard for a long stretch of matches (30+).
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Not a step slower but half a step slower. He was definitely quicker five years ago. 2008 Nadal was the fastest mover ever on a tennis court. Nadal's physical prime was 2005-2010. Mentally he is just the same as ever and that is the reason he still conquers. He has the desire to improve. You see his interviews, he always talks about improving and getting better. As long as the desire and mental strength are there he will always have the game to compensate for the slight drop in movement.
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Who else thinks so?

Consider it, he lost 4 sets on his beloved clay this RG, and lets face it, Novak squandered away the fifth set.

Considering Wimbly and the rest of hard court season is nominally faster than clay, who's to say he someone like Isner won't take him out early?
No, Nadal squandered away the fourth set if anything. It should have been a 4 set victory to Nadal.
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Of course he's slower than he was from 2005-2009. 2005 Rafa was the fastest player ever.
I agree with above in general.

But he improved his game over all to compensate for the loss of speed, which isn't much anyway.
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He's not slower no. He still gets to balls no player in the history of the game would get to and makes winners off them. He did it time and time again vs Djokovic. He doesn't decline for some reason.
You continue to amuse me honestly no pun intended.
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