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Old 06-18-2013, 01:02 PM   #91
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Rafa too when he gets back from "injury"


Speaking of Fed2007 vs Nole2011, Fed was better pure attacker but he still had that one-handed bh as a weakness. On the other hand, Nole was a total package and extremely good mover with complete and well balanced defensive and offensive game.

So total offense with little weakness vs total package with little weaker offense would be interesting to watch. Since USO is fast hc, I would go with 50:50. On any other hc Nole2011 would be a slight favorite.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:33 PM   #92
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So total offense with little weakness vs total package with little weaker offense would be interesting to watch. Since USO is fast hc, I would go with 50:50.
a 30 yo olderer was up two sets and an MP at USO against 2011 nole, and you are saying 2011 nole has equal chance at USO with 2007 fed?

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Speaking of Fed2007 vs Nole2011, Fed was better pure attacker but he still had that one-handed bh as a weakness. On the other hand, Nole was a total package and extremely good mover with complete and well balanced defensive and offensive game.
When has it been a weakness against Djokovic? Or at the U.S. Open? In Fed's prime?

Just because Nadal on clay can wear down a stroke, doesn't make it a weakness.
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When has it been a weakness against Djokovic? Or at the U.S. Open? In Fed's prime?

Just because Nadal on clay can wear down a stroke, doesn't make it a weakness.
In Federer's prime pretty much everything was a weapon so the fact that his backhand in general wasn't gave it the perception of being a "weakness".
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Ok lets look at some facts. Fed has 4 AO, 5 USO, and 6 WTF. Those are the 3 biggest hard court events.

Djokovic has 4 AO, 1 USO, and 2 WTF. Right now he is light years behind. He is not winning 4 more USO's and or 4 more WTF.

The only big HC event he can surpass Roger is the AO. It won't be enough to be the HC GOAT.

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Federer's backhand is only a weakness against Nadal where he has to hit shoulder-high backhands for 3-5 sets. The reason that shot does much better vs Djokovic is because Nole hits flatter.
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Federer's backhand is only a weakness against Nadal where he has to hit shoulder-high backhands for 3-5 sets. The reason that shot does much better vs Djokovic is because Nole hits flatter.
Yes Nadal has found the smallest of chinks in Federer's armor who is the most complete player in history, and exploited it to the max with the help of the slow, high bouncing courts of this era, and especially clay. Yet he STILL trails the h2h off of clay. You can see what happens when they face indoors where the ball bounces at a normal height. Nadal gets bageled and trails the h2h 0-4.
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Yes Nadal has found the smallest of chinks in Federer's armor who is the most complete player in history, and exploited it to the max with the help of the slow, high bouncing courts of this era, and especially clay. Yet he STILL trails the h2h off of clay. You can see what happens when they face indoors where the ball bounces at a normal height. Nadal gets bageled and trails the h2h 0-4.
This.

I hope they meet at WTF again this year.
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Currently, Roger Federer has the most Hard Court slams with 9 (5 USO and 4 AO). Djokovic has 5 (1 USO and 4 A0).
With 2 opportunities a year he has a good chance of catching him (i could easily picture him getting 6 AO and 3 USO). Do you guys think that this will happen? If he surpasses roger, will it be safe to call him the greatest hard-courter of all time?
I hope it happens, because that would reflect extremely well on Nadal-
Australian Open: Djokovic leads 1-0 (after 6 hour final lol)
US Open: Tied at 1-1
Olympics: Nadal leads 1-0
WTF/Masters Cup: Nadal leads 2-1

Nadal's weakest surface is hardcourt, yet he's beaten the harcourt GOAT in more than half of their big matches?
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I think Djokovic is one year away from going down as the best clay court player ever. Once he straight sets Fraudal in RG next year, it's over.
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I think Djokovic is one year away from going down as the best clay court player ever. Once he straight sets Fraudal in RG next year, it's over.
Gymnast needs to win 9 RG titles to be considered greater than Nadal on clay. He better get cracking if he wants the title of clay GOAT. That 0-5 record in Paris against Nadal doesn't help either. Ouch
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Gymnast needs to win 9 RG titles to be considered greater than Nadal on clay. He better get cracking if he wants the title of clay GOAT. That 0-5 record in Paris against Nadal doesn't help either. Ouch
No he doesnt need 2 win 9 RG titles, based on you dulltards logic, if he can somehow turn the h2h on clay, he will considered to be greater.
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No he doesnt need 2 win 9 RG titles, based on you dulltards logic, if he can somehow turn the h2h on clay, he will considered to be greater.
You must be smoking some good stuff. Even if he wins the next 20 masters on clay its irrelevant, clay king= merit based on slam titles on clay, not just smaller tournies.
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This.

I hope they meet at WTF again this year.
I'm afraid dull will claim he's severely injured and escape again Simply evades playing HC matches against top guys when he is not at 100%.
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You must be smoking some good stuff. Even if he wins the next 20 masters on clay its irrelevant, clay king= merit based on slam titles on clay, not just smaller tournies.
He was just using the Dull tards method.

If clay GOAT is measured on # of FO titles then GOAT = # slam titles overall.
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