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Old 05-28-2013, 04:49 AM   #1
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Default A rule against player bashing: Your feedback

Dear members,

please provide your feedback regarding a rule against bashing players in this thread.

The details of the rule and its enforcement are outlined in this thread.

Thank you.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:07 AM   #2
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Default Re: A rule against player bashing: Your feedback

Long overdue. Hopefully will reduce much of the blatant, almost venomous trolling.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:52 AM   #3
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Default Re: A rule against player bashing: Your feedback

I am strongly against. Not that I love trolling, but I think this proposed rule is extremely broad and can be used to target virtually any post.

Can we have a vote?
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:16 AM   #4
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awful rule and awful explanation of it. so many years of tradition got ruined by explanation " It will reduce some of the animosity between various fan bases " , have been reading plenty of nicknames which discredited my favorite players but never feel a need to get in fight with someone due to this reason.

I can see your point in bringing this rule, this rule would probably improve professionalism of this board, particularly in GM but then again such rule had to be brought long ago, you can't teach an old dog a new trick.

Probably the worst part of this rule is that consistency in banning and giving infractions will be even more pore. After some infractions which i got often was receiving explanations that mods have to deal with numerous reported posts every day and being consistent in every case is pretty hard. Completely understand and approve such explanation but imagine situation if this rule becomes actual and numerous reported post become zillion reported posts...

This week of testing period is a farce imo, and shows how neither people who are bringing this rule aren't sure would it make things better . It's literally like killing people becomes legal for a week and if many people die in that period we should forbid it again.

And finally don't understand what's the point of this feedback thread. In the past, whatever MTF wanted, ruling board decided opposite
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:25 AM   #5
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To point out contradiction of this rule. Many of current people in ruling board were there also when " Piggy roasting thread " got re-opened but now those same people decided that nickname pig is bannable offense
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An excellent rule. Despite not liking a player, one must always respect the work they put behind to get there. As far as trolling and fun go, there is still a way to make fun of players without actually bashing them. A rule taking trolling one step up from childish to less childish.
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:02 PM   #7
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Love it. I'm sick of seeing all of the ridiculous, insulting nicknames for players, and hearing grown men whine and poke fun about players' physical appearance, family, etc.

This is supposed to be about TENNIS. I'm sure this will upset the trolls, but...who cares?

Calling someone Nose, Mugray, Pig, Vulture, etc., over and over and over? It isn't original. It shows that you don't have much to offer to the forum. And you cannot deny that it is PURELY a tactic meant to upset fans of said player.

Lets just grow up a little, guys. It shouldn't be so hard.

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Old 05-28-2013, 12:17 PM   #8
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Way overdue. Too much trolling in last times.
Too many thread opened with the only propose of bashing/trolling. We can make a better place of MTF with this rule.

Based on the new rule I may suggest using the word "vulture" to refer to some players in general shouldn't be acceptable. It's not only derogative but there's also a abuse in using it.
One can use vulture to critisize a fact but not as a sustitute of the player's name. We can't discuss seriously anything about Ferrer anymore in MTF without all the trolls coming to ruin the threads and it's not fair.
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Default Re: A rule against player bashing: Your feedback

Insulting family is a no-no but the funny nicknames is what makes this place fun. Putting an end to stuff like piggyroasting would make this forum more dull. Same with vulture.

I think if people cannot handle some taunting and minor trolling in General Messages they are in the wrong place. Player worship without any "enemies" can still be done in the player forum where I guess responsible moderator could enforce this harder.


Also think the amount of reported posts and mod inconsistency regarding this rule will go through the roof.

If this rule is enforced I suggest instead making a clear list what exact nicknames/insults/taunts are not allowed. And then add/remove to that list as time goes by. I don't think it would work at all setting a general or losely defined rule

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Members are permitted to criticize a player's game, but bashing a player or his family in a general way is not permitted. Similarly, referring to players by nicknames is allowed, unless the nickname is; a) clearly derogatory toward the player, or; b) used solely to ridicule the player, or; c) used solely as a slight toward, or to get under the skin of the player's fan-base.
WAY too general. Like over a months time, how many posts would break this one way or another?
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:14 PM   #10
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Horrible idea. Just awful. Is this already in effect?
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So just to make sure, calling someone 'Vulture', 'Nose' or 'Mugbis' would now be an infraction?

I want this to be voted on.
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So just to make sure, calling someone 'Vulture', 'Nose' or 'Mugbis' would now be an infraction?

I want this to be voted on.
Yes. And I'm sure you do.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:33 PM   #13
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a) clearly derogatory toward the player, or; b) used solely to ridicule the player, or; c) used solely as a slight toward, or to get under the skin of the player's fan-base.

Terrible, terrible rule.

No more Noserer (b), Olderer (a), Nadull (a,c), Mugray, Almugro and Mugrin (or anything with mug in it), Vulture and Vulture in Chief (a,c), Piggy (a,c), Flukerling (c), Shitman (a,b and even c (not that he has fans)), Baldenko (a), Fixarevic etc. etc.


What is bashing and what is critizising? At times a player is acting muggy, and being a mug, why not add in a mugfils or a mugrin. A lot of these nicknames are so catchy and stick, because they actually have truth in them.

MTF takes itself way too seriously with a rule like this, it's not like MTF is a respected news site or anything.

And what is 'to get under a fanbase's skin? People are offended on here so easily, when I suggest Federer isn't the undisputed GOAT I get hundreds of angry Federesian replies and badreps, with this rule they're going to report every post because 'they're offended'. Like MaxPower said, WAY too general.
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No more Noserer (b), Olderer (a), Nadull (a,c), Mugray, Almugro and Mugrin (or anything with mug in it), Vulture and Vulture in Chief (a,c), Piggy (a,c), Flukerling (c), Shitman (a,b and even c (not that he has fans)), Baldenko (a), Fixarevic etc. etc.

And what is 'to get under a fanbase's skin? People are offended on here so easily, when I suggest Federer isn't the undisputed GOAT I get hundreds of angry Federesian replies and badreps, with this rule they're going to report every post because 'they're offended'.
That's the thing. You don't "suggest Federer isn't the undiputed GOAT." You throw random insults along the lines of "LOL THIS MUG 'NOSE,' WEAK ERA, LOOK AT HIS HAIRLINE LOL, HOW THIS MAN WON 17 GRAND SLAMS, WE WILL NEVER KNOW"

Of course you're going to be upset, because you're one of the worst offenders. I'm a fan of Federer, Nadal, and good tennis in general. I have criticized them both at times. But I have never once had to use an insulting nickname, because...I'm an adult.

Can't you just have a constructive conversation/criticism without name-calling??

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Default Re: A rule against player bashing: Your feedback

Let me outline why I am against the rule.

1. It's completely over-broad.

Members are permitted to criticize a player's game, but bashing a player or his family in a general way is not permitted. Similarly, referring to players by nicknames is allowed, unless the nickname is; a) clearly derogatory toward the player, or; b) used solely to ridicule the player, or; c) used solely as a slight toward, or to get under the skin of the player's fan-base.

The family bit I agree, but the rest of it is completely out of proportion. There is a very thin line between eliminating some of the more vicious 'bashing' (whatever that means) and completely taking away users' rights to be somewhat critical of a player they don't like. This is not a sanitised international publication, but a place where tennis fans can come on and call it like they see it. They should have the freedom to do so.

2. MTF is big enough to combine both off-hand banter and informed tennis discussion.

Topics which are clearly tongue-in-cheek are easily identifiable for anyone who has been on here for more than a week. The same goes for topics which are generally a serious and in-depth analysis of an aspect of the game we all love. Depending on a user's mood, he should have the freedom to engage in both types of discussions. The proposed rule would constrain that freedom greatly.

3. People are too quick to be offended by the most innocuous stuff.

I believe the rules that MTF has in place at the moment are sufficient to contain unacceptable behaviour if and when is does arise (racism, homophobia, etc). The fact that a comment does not agree with someone's sensibilities is not a reason to censor the person who said it.

That's the basics of it: I think the rule as it is stated right now is completely unclear and has the potential to restrict posters' freedom of speech too much. I am against and I really think this should be put to a vote as it has the potential of drastically changing MTF and alienating a lot of people.
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