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Old 05-11-2013, 05:41 AM   #1
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Default What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

There are a lot to take into consideration here. It's not a straight forward answer. For instance if someone is your pigeon and you lead your opponent 8-0 I would consider that owning. But if you have played 34 matches like Sampras and Agassi did and Sampras leads Agassi 20-14 I would not consider that as ownage.

Agassi still got very important wins over Sampras like the AO final or SF. Similar with Fedal. Federer leads Blake 10-1 in h2h. I would consider that ownage. Nadal leads Federer 19-10 in the h2h but they have played 18 more matches. Also Federer have beaten Nadal 4 times in the WTF and in 2 Wimby finals.

He has also bageled Nadal twice while he was only bagaled once by Nadal. I don't consider that as ownage either. I think we can safely say Federer owned Roddick(21-3). Can you imagine Roddick bageling Federer or beating him in a slam? He almost did at Wimby 09 but when his time came he choked handsomely.

So what would you consider as owning? Pigeon status with less than 10 matches played? Turkey status with less than 20 matches played? Or is it all about the results in slams?

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Old 05-11-2013, 05:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

Nadal owns Federer.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:52 AM   #3
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Nadal owns Federer.
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Does Nadal own Djokovic?
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

It is not always about numbers. It is how the battles go.

Nadal owns Fed on dirt and outdoor hard.

Nole owned Nadal for a year, but Nadal leads 19-15 overall.

Lendl was 16-0 lifetime vs. Brad Gilbert, now that is owning.
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Does Nadal own Djokovic?
Not according to your new rule...but it is silly to call someone your pigeon (+5) if they end up 28-23 in career H2H or something like that. Maybe it should be based on percentages instead of actual wins.
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

I consider it to be owning it it predicts that you will win comfortably against your opponent regardless of surface. That is obviously not true of Federer - Nadal, where it predicts 1) Nadal will win easy on clay, 2) Nadal will be favourite on outdoor hard, 2) A match on grass will be more or less open, and 4) Federer will be resounding favourite indoors.

Compare that to for example Nadal - Almagro where Nadal will be (at least) resounding favourite everywhere, even indoors. Now that is ownage.
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I consider it to be owning it it predicts that you will win comfortably against your opponent regardless of surface. That is obviously not true of Federer - Nadal, where it predicts 1) Nadal will win easy on clay, 2) Nadal will be favourite on outdoor hard, 2) A match on grass will be more or less open, and 4) Federer will be resounding favourite indoors.

Compare that to for example Nadal - Almagro where Nadal will be (at least) resounding favourite everywhere, even indoors. Now that is ownage.
Very good criteria for h2h ownage Litotes. By this criteria Federer would more or less be the favorite on fast courts vs Nadal in the Fedal rivalry, while Nadal would be the favorite more or less on slow courts. How can you own a guy who owns you indoors, or any surface for that matter? The surface argument is very valid.
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

Lol at Fedtards clutching at the straws in order to justify their idol being owned by Nadal. Would be a turkey now if Decrepitrer didn't chicken out of his R3 match.
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

With 5 wins and 1 loss vs. his favorite pigeon, Fed was already the best ever player and owner of a turkey opponent.
That was when no opponent was consistent, therefore the turkey played him twice or more per year.

Then again, losses don't mean much.

Losing with 2 match points twice on a faster court, including one vs. an injured Novak.

Saving 3 match points vs. his pigeon at the 2006 Masters Cup.

Losing 2 match points on clay in 2006 Rome final.
Losing *5-4 & 4-2 leads vs. Nadal in 2008 Monte Carlo.

Novak tanking set points & 4-2 at the 2007 US Open final.

Pigeon collapsing at the 2009 Wimbledon final.
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Default Re: What do you consider as owning in a h2h?

According to Noletards being down 15-19 is considered owning someone. They are a special, little bunch, aren't they?
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According to Noletards being down 15-19 is considered owning someone. They are a special, little bunch, aren't they?
I do not agree with the sentiment that Djokovic owns Nadal, just so that much is clear.

I do, however, consider it is possible to talk about ownage even when total numbers suggest otherwise. Consider Lendl vs. Connors. Lendl won 17 in a row. Now, that has got to be ownage, hasn't it? Only problem is, Connors won the first nine. Their H2H went from 0-9 via 5-13 to 22-13. At which point was it possible to talk about Lendl owning Connors? What about on 13-13, when he had eight in a row?
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Nadal owns Murray.
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Lol at Fedtards clutching at the straws in order to justify their idol being owned by Nadal. Would be a turkey now if Decrepitrer didn't chicken out of his R3 match.
My thoughts exactly.
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There are a lot to take into consideration here. It's not a straight forward answer. For instance if someone is your pigeon and you lead your opponent 8-0 I would consider that owning. But if you have played 36 matches like Sampras and Agassi did and Sampras leads Agassi 20-14 I would not consider that as ownage.

Agassi still got very important wins over Sampras like the AO final or SF. Similar with Fedal. Federer leads Blake 10-1 in h2h. I would consider that ownage. Nadal leads Federer 19-10 in the h2h but they have played 18 more matches. Also Federer have beaten Nadal 4 times in the WTF and in 2 Wimby finals.

He has also bageled Nadal twice while he was only bagaled once by Nadal. I don't consider that as ownage either. I think we can safely say Federer owned Roddick(21-3). Can you imagine Roddick bageling Federer or beating him in a slam? He almost did at Wimby 09 but when his time came he choked handsomely.

So what would you consider as owning? Pigeon status with less than 10 matches played? Turkey status with less than 20 matches played? Or is it all about the results in slams?

Discuss.
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Ferrer owns Del Potro.
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