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No 46 35.38%
He will win an ATP 250 26 20.00%
He will win an ATP 500 26 20.00%
He will win a MS title (yeah right!) 20 15.38%
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:39 PM   #466
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He would have to enter a 250 first and for reasons that continue to elude me, he persists in ignoring this obvious avenue for gaining some practice and confidence on the surface
he is not some small scale journeyman/vulture.
he is all-in type of a player, so these MM events aren't something he really cares about
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:41 PM   #467
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He has too much pride to go down the vulturing route. If he entered the MM clay events I'm pretty sure he'd win a few.
I assume your use of 'pride' is derogatory? Nobody but Federer-haters would condemn him for playing Estoril a few times for match-play and confidence. Same with Nadal this year in Latin America. Attending a few 250s to compensate for weakness on a surface/injury is a different matter entirely from constantly attending 250s just for the points. The former isn't vulturing at all.
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I assume your use of 'pride' is derogatory? Nobody but Federer-haters would condemn him for playing Estoril a few times for match-play and confidence. Same with Nadal this year in Latin America. Attending a few 250s to compensate for weakness on a surface/injury is a different matter entirely from constantly attending 250s just for the points. The former isn't vulturing at all.
I'd like to see him do it but I sadly doubt he will.
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I'd like to see him do it but I sadly doubt he will.
Fair enough. He has shown he's willing to mix up his calendar however. Skipping February altogether this year, including an event he finaled at just last year, just to train for Indian Wells took me by surprise at least. I could see him making a similar commitment to the clay season one year and trading MC for Estoril or some other 250 clay event before Madrid.
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His poor performance on clay is the reason he has almost no hope to become World no.1 now, when there is player like Djokovic, who is very good on all surfaces. Look at the difference between them in rankings. Huge.... Simply, there are too many clay events, he can't afford to be mediocre on clay...
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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I assume your use of 'pride' is derogatory? Nobody but Federer-haters would condemn him for playing Estoril a few times for match-play and confidence. Same with Nadal this year in Latin America. Attending a few 250s to compensate for weakness on a surface/injury is a different matter entirely from constantly attending 250s just for the points. The former isn't vulturing at all.
this is actually a good post. I also agree with Scoobs. Andy needs to start somewhere. i.e. Murray playing Estoril is a good idea. It's not about the points, it's gaining more clay matches under his belt and winning the title. getting more confidence. Prime Fed played Estoril.
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You should become a Murray fan if he ever wins a Clay title, we should have a bet.
So are you up for this bet lad?
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So are you up for this bet lad?
It is more likely that you will be the next 007 than hooligan winner of the clay event.
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It is more likely that you will be the next 007 than hooligan winner of the clay event.
Ahahaha.

I don't think they allow fat people to be 007 .
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Andy playing a 250 would be a good idea. When Nadal and Federer started out they played a lot of smaller clay tournies to build the confidence. For someone who's never had that much success on clay, it would be a good idea to play one or two smaller clay events.
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Murray hasn't competed in a 250/500 event so far this year (besides the Brisbane International). His next will probably be Queens, the only 250/500 event he is scheduled for in the remainder of 2013. Have no idea why he doesn't participate in a few minor clay tournaments, whether it be during the North American or European clay court season. He's probably scared MTF will label him as a vulture.
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Murray hasn't competed in a 250/500 event so far this year. His next will probably be Queens, the only 250/500 event he is scheduled for in 2013. Have no idea why he doesn't participate in a few minor clay tournaments, whether it be during the North American or European clay court season. He's probably scared MTF will label him as a vulture.
He went to (and won) Brisbane this year. Just to clarify.
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He went to (and won) Brisbane this year. Just to clarify.
Yeah, I just edited that in my post as soon as I published it. Initially slipped my mind.
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