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Old 04-24-2013, 03:54 PM   #466
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lolwut?

Russian attitudes to Chechnya have been disgraceful. Yeltsin screwed up pretty bad, but Putin really fucked things up and the blood of Beslan and Dubrovka is on his hands as much as the seperatists'.

Not anti-Russian to say that, just common sense.
great post. perfect illustration of twisted thinking. blame the victims, pity the terrorists.

it is also characteristic how you name attackers on primary school "the separatists". wonder if attackers on maternity hospital would be deserving enough to be named terrorists according to you (or your instructor)?
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:55 PM   #467
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What's the comedy about this?

It's not about taste or whatever. I just presented a website which presents what could be facts (and solid ones) that probably the wrong people were killed. Nothing to laugh about it.
It could equally be a website that presents what could be garbage. Would that still be a reason to present it?

Besides, it is almost all the stuff of conspiracy theory.
Look, men with backpacks - clearly the real bombers,
Look, a man in a doorway - clearly an FBI agent.
Look, suspect #2 leaving the scene with his backpack - well, ummmmm, you can not actually see the backpack in the foto, but hey, Where is the evidence that it is not there? Answer that! Prove there is no backpack!
Look, suspect #1 being escorted away - well, ummmmm, it is not actually suspect #1 at all, but it is a man in Boston, and that is close enough to a solid fact if you are looking for a conspiracy.

As for the bit about the Sandy Hook principal, well that makes it clear that the website knows its audience consists mainly of the mentally challenged. Enough said.

OK, it actually is garbage.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:15 PM   #468
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great post. perfect illustration of twisted thinking. blame the victims, pity the terrorists.

it is also characteristic how you name attackers on primary school "the separatists". wonder if attackers on maternity hospital would be deserving enough to be named terrorists according to you (or your instructor)?
Up until 10 years ago not even Russians called the Chechens terrorists.

Yeltsin and Putin created the Chechen terrorist problem with their two idiotic wars.
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Yeltsin and Putin created the Chechen terrorist problem with their two idiotic wars.
Much like the USA, Israel and others have created the terrorist problem in many countries of the middle east.

Finally you and I can agree to something.
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Much like the USA, Israel and others have created the terrorist problem in many countries of the middle east.

Finally you and I can agree to something.
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Up until 10 years ago not even Russians called the Chechens terrorists.

Yeltsin and Putin created the Chechen terrorist problem with their two idiotic wars.
how come? they created chechen terrorists by halting islamic emirate in russia?
what a terrible offence!

as far as i know us government is also opposing to restoration of worldwide caliphate which makes america legitimate target of jihad. this makes obama, bush and clinton responsible for 9/11 and boston bombing. no?
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how come? they created chechen terrorists by halting islamic emirate in russia?
what a terrible offence!

as far as i know us government is also opposing restoration of worldwide caliphate which makes america legitimate target of jihad. this makes obama, bush and clinton responsible for 9/11 and boston bombing. no?
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btw chechens conducted act of terrorism (in chechenya and out of it) before putin crushed rebelion.
yeltsin de facto acknowledged independence of their islamic emirate but apparently that wasn't enough for poor jihadists so they attacked other provinces.
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Much like the USA, Israel and others have created the terrorist problem in many countries of the middle east.
The fact that you think the situations are in any way similar just highlights your ignorance. I would stay out of this conversation if I were you.

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how come? they created chechen terrorists by halting islamic emirate in russia?
what a terrible offence!
Chechnya declared their independence under the same rules that Russia used to declare their independence from the USSR. Russia invading was just imperialism.

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as far as i know us government is also opposing to restoration of worldwide caliphate which makes america legitimate target of jihad. this makes obama, bush and clinton responsible for 9/11 and boston bombing. no?
Absurd comparison.

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btw chechens conducted act of terrorism (in chechenya and out of it) before putin crushed rebelion.
yeltsin de facto acknowledged independence of their islamic emirate but apparently that wasn't enough for poor jihadists so they attacked other provinces.
If Yeltsin and Putin had just acknowledged their independence instead of engaging in absurd imperialistic ambitions there would have been no problem. Terrorism was inevitable after they decided to crush the country.
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Chechnya declared their independence under the same rules that Russia used to declare their independence from the USSR. Russia invading was just imperialism.
what rules? autonomous regions can not declare independence. do you think that any state in usa can declare independence by its own will?
russia invading itself? and that is called imperialism?

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Absurd comparison.
why? some terrorists are permitted to have pretext and some others are not?

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If Yeltsin and Putin had just acknowledged their independence instead of engaging in absurd imperialistic ambitions there would have been no problem. Terrorism was inevitable after they decided to crush the country.
if us government had just acknowledged palestinian independence from jordan river to mediterranean sea instead of blabla... there would have been no problem. terrorism was inevitable after they decided to support occupation of jerusalem.

your "reasoning" works both ways, no?
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Wow. Defending murder of innocent civilans. Sick.
I did NOT. I condemn murder of innocent civilians in the US as well as in Afghanistan. But an Obama or Romney voter is NOT an innocent civilian. That voter consciously supports/ed wars in Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria. Obama voters consciously elected a man who has blood on his hands. May he assume what he's done.


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Calling Americans cowards
Using drones to kill Afghan civilians, I call that cowardice. It's killing without risking being killed.

The Christmas bombing by Nixon was cowardice, from a President who could not accept defeat (while at the end of the day, he won but still..)

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I doubt if the Chinese victim voted for either Romney or Obama, or even abstained. Maybe you would like to classify her as merely collateral damage.
I didn't know. Sorry.

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You gotta be kidding me Echoes. I don't even think abraxas would make those claims. Although never underestimate him.
I don't think either. He's a left-winger, not me. Just look at his comment on Chechnya and you'll understand.

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Chechnya declared their independence under the same rules that Russia used to declare their independence from the USSR. Russia invading was just imperialism.
Chechnyans never declared their independence. Only some Barons did and then it was the cradle of Wahhabit Jihadism that destabilized the neighbouring states (supported by the US and the not late Oligarch Berezovski). There's been a referendum, if you remember. Independentists lost.

Total support to the Russian soldiers on that issue.

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The fact that you think the situations are in any way similar just highlights your ignorance. I would stay out of this conversation if I were you.
profound words for someone who counterarguments with racist slurs against latinos

in any case, i wasn't surprised to see your answer.

terrorism in russian invaded lands is due to russian imperialism. terrorism in western invaded lands is due to muslims following an extreme branch of islam. let's hear it from the objective analyst!
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if us government had just acknowledged palestinian independence from jordan river to mediterranean sea instead of blabla... there would have been no problem. terrorism was inevitable after they decided to support occupation of jerusalem.

your "reasoning" works both ways, no?
exactly.

the funny part is that ceasar remains oblivious of his own double standards.
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Chechnya declared their independence under the same rules that Russia used to declare their independence from the USSR. Russia invading was just imperialism.
Stop embarrassing yourself. You don't know anything about history and even less about geography. Chechen leaders at that time had zero legal ground to make a decision on independence from Russian Federation. Russia did not liberate itself from Soviet Union (what an absurd!), it dissolved an agreement on forming the Union of Soviet Republics along with Ukraine and Belorus. The three Republics did that because it was them who signed the initial agreement in 1922. That's how Soviet Union stopped to exist. Chechnya had status of an autonomic region with no right to become independent from Russian Federation. The leader of Chechnya Djohar Dudaev initiated all this mess simply because of his personal thrust for money and power. Maybe Yeltsin did not handle the conflict well, maybe military played certain role to escalate things there. But there was never even a slight doubt in terms of law that Chechen local government had right to start separatism from Russian Federation. No country in the world would have let any region to do that, USA and all the West included.

To tell that Russians in Moscow are at fault for Chechen terrorist acts is absolutely the same as to say that Bostonians are at fault the Chechen brothers bombed them. It's a tragedy for people in both countries. Saying that one deserved it and the others not is immoral.
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Chechnya declared their independence under the same rules that Russia used to declare their independence from the USSR. Russia invading was just imperialism.

This comment is worthy of Sarah Palin.
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