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He will win an ATP 250 26 20.00%
He will win an ATP 500 26 20.00%
He will win a MS title (yeah right!) 20 15.38%
He will do the unthinkable and win Roland Garros 12 9.23%
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:40 AM   #376
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Default Re: Have we seen the best from Murray on clay?

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Well he just got to the final of a blue clay slam.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:21 AM   #377
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Default Re: Have we seen the best from Murray on clay?

Murray certainly has some strengths that work for him on clay. His movement is pretty good, slides defensively into shots very well and we all know his court speed. His groundstrokes actually work well on the surface, he has some very nice variety on the clay, almost reminiscent of clay courters in the 90s with their variety of pace, spins and touch. On top of that, Murray has a great drop shot.

So really, the biggest problems with Murray in the past has been what goes on in his head and his point construction on the clay when it matters most. The mental aspect definitely has much to do with it, as he does appear to be unsure of himself when a match gets tight on clay whereas on other surfaces, he stays calm throughout. Another example, is his H2H against someone like Ferrer who he has dominated off clay but has struggled to beat David on the dirt.. So we technically witnessed on several matches as some have pointed out, his absolute potential tennis wise on clay, but he just needs to back it up mentally on the biggest points.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:15 AM   #378
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Default Re: Have we seen the best from Murray on clay?

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Last year he lost to Ferrer, Raonic and Gasquet, so it's not like only Nole and Nadal can take him out. Dunno, he looks almost like he doesn't care much if he plays at all between Miami and Wimbledon
Ferrer is good on clay, and Gasquet beat Fed at Rome the year before. Raonic was a little more puzzling but his kick serve on clay is tremendous, much like Isner's against Fed in Davis Cup.

But yep, he didn't play very well at all on clay last year, definitely room for improvement.
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Default Will Murray mediocrity on clay prevent him from reaching #1 rankings?

Murray suffers another crushing defeat on clay, completely blown out by Wawrinka, who can plays very good when he is on.

Murray always struck me as a top 20-25 players on the surface. He has some deep runs in the big tournaments, mainly due to his very high seed. But he loses a lot on the surface.

He never won a clay titles and never even reached a clay final. His record on the surface is a weak 47-31, far behind his hardcourt and grass record (282-78 and 61-14) and far behind his rankings position.

In these conditions it is hard to see him grabbing the top spot, when Nadal , Djokovic and even Federer will make much more points in this part of the season.
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Federer will not get near Number 1 again but yes is the answer unless he wins 2 slams in a year.
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Default Re: Will Murray mediocrity on clay prevent him from reaching #1 rankings?

I think Murray can be good,not great on clay but only after a few weeks playing on this surface. He is not a natural claycourter so after not playing for such a long time on clay he can lose to the likes of Gasquet,Wawrinka,Bellucci,Monaco and so on.He will certainly do better at the French but MC,Rome are not really his best events.
Maybe he should play in South America so he can get some feeling on clay before playing these Masters Events.
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I really don't understand what his problem on clay is. He has a game to be a very good clay player, yet somehow he is just clueless on clay. and forget about #1, I don't think he is getting there anytime soon. Nole is simply too solid on all surfaces. I think Nadal is more likely to get back to #1 at some point.
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His main problem is he can't hit a winner to save his life on the surface.
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I really don't understand what his problem on clay is. He has a game to be a very good clay player, yet somehow he is just clueless on clay. and forget about #1, I don't think he is getting there anytime soon. Nole is simply too solid on all surfaces. I think Nadal is more likely to get back to #1 at some point.
He doesn't construct points very well, he's generally either entirely defensive or all out attack. And even when he's all out attack he finds it hard to hit winners and on clay you need to be able to hit through opponents.
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Default Re: Andy Murray on clay. Will he ever win a clay title or prevent him from the #1 spo

I have faith he will eventually, BUT he needs to focus and believe in himself... he didn't look interested at all today
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He doesn't construct points very well, he's generally either entirely defensive or all out attack. And even when he's all out attack he finds it hard to hit winners and on clay you need to be able to hit through opponents.
I'd say it's as difficult to hit through on most of today's HCs like AO, USO, and Miami, and Andy does well there.

But I have one theory about why there are well defending players like Andy who are clay mugs but great on slow HCs. It's easier to move on solid HC surface than on clay. That's also the reason why slow HCs, despite being a bit faster, playe effectively slower than clay.
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I really don't understand what his problem on clay is. He has a game to be a very good clay player, yet somehow he is just clueless on clay. and forget about #1, I don't think he is getting there anytime soon. Nole is simply too solid on all surfaces. I think Nadal is more likely to get back to #1 at some point.
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Default Re: Andy Murray on clay. Will he ever win a clay title or prevent him from the #1 spo

he'll win (a small) one eventually, but if he doesn't improve his results and become consistent on the surface he has little chance to get that #1 spot.Not with nole and Rafa around.
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Default Re: Andy Murray on clay. Will he ever win a clay title or prevent him from the #1 spo

I think he'll do better on clay the next few years. It will never be hardcourt or grass for him obviously but he can have success on it and I think he will.
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