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Old 04-16-2013, 07:12 AM   #31
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It is getting a lot of attention because the pictures coming out are so graphic. People with runners' bibs on having limbs amputated... it is hard not to be moved by such things.

There is no hypocrisy in feeling compassion for victims of random violence, even if one cannot express that compassion in the case of every incident that occurs.
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I really couldn't find the right words when I saw these news this morning.

Horrible tragedy.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:06 AM   #33
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What kind of sick beasts plant bombs to kill as many innocent people as possible. I hope they will be found soon.
I've had too much evil in a short period of time, I feel ill. There is only so much one can take at the same time.
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This is obviously awful and all. I hope things like that would never happen; but it's just the over-idealistic side of me that could think this way.

But something I find more terrorising than terrorism itself is the fact that hundreds of people could be killed in a airplane crash in Uzbekistan, nobody would be talking about it. Only because it happened in Uzbekistan.
I think every country just gives TOO MUCH importance to what could happen in the United States. Well... I know: History, money, power, blah blah blah. But it's irritating, unfair and unjustifiable.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:19 AM   #35
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But it's irritating, unfair and unjustifiable.
It's nothing of the sort. It's a totally normal human reaction. People identify more with stuff that hits closer to home.

People who are talking here are from western countries, many of them from America. We go to sporting events all the time. This could very easily have been one of us. Hell, I have been a spectator at the Boston Marathon. I have run half-marathons. I know exactly what it would have been like.

On the other hand, it is difficult for most people to identify with a plane crash in a country very different to ours, that most people know little about, who has an ex-Soviet airline that has little resemblance to the safe, well-maintained western airlines we use.

A differing emotional response doesn't equate to placing a differing value on the two groups of people's lives. I am sure that Uzbekistanis would have the complete opposite reaction to the two incidents, for exactly the same reasons, and rightly so.

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But personally, I don't think I'm to blame for knowing/talking more about an incident 5 miles away from my room, than about incidents that are a thousand miles away. It's quite possible that people I know have been injured, and that does make a difference.
That is, of course, different. If you know people who are involved, it's normal to care for it (and to find my post shocking...) but most MTF posters probably do not. And I would reply that if something of the sort happened in Brussels and I knew people who were killed, you'll honestly have to say you don't care because it's a thousand miles away from where you are, and I'll be alone in grief. That's the way it is.

The victims of attacks that we learn about in the media would never hurt us more than the loss of a relative. We should stop this hypocrisy ! (it's horrific blabla). If I were to cry for every victims of attack that I learn about in the media, I'd have to cry everyday ! At the same moment there was an attack in Bagdad, nobody cared.
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So sad to hear that,we need a peace world.



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But echoes you are thinking about this as if it was just a random attack on a local street in Boston and just Bostonians the target, which would be just as tragic but it would fit your description of a local attack. But this was the Boston Marathon. The top event in running, worldwide fame and a race represented by 70 countries, the winners are almost never American. This is akin to an attack happening at the World Cup, Wimbledon,world swimming championships or any top event in any sport.
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That is, of course, different. If you know people who are involved, it's normal to care for it (and to find my post shocking...) but most MTF posters probably do not. And I would reply that if something of the sort happened in Brussels and I knew people who were killed, you'll honestly have to say you don't care because it's a thousand miles away from where you are, and I'll be alone in grief. That's the way it is.

The victims of attacks that we learn about in the media would never hurt us more than the loss of a relative. We should stop this hypocrisy ! (it's horrific blabla). If I were to cry for every victims of attack that I learn about in the media, I'd have to cry everyday ! At the same moment there was an attack in Bagdad, nobody cared.
This.

When innocent women and children in Afghanistan or Iraq are killed by american troops, I don't see any americans in tears.
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And I would reply that if something of the sort happened in Brussels and I knew people who were killed, you'll honestly have to say you don't care because it's a thousand miles away from where you are, and I'll be alone in grief. That's the way it is.
What if it happened in Brussels and you didn't know the people who were killed? Would it be the same, and you wouldn't care at all?

If you would care, why is that? Remember you don't know them, so why then?

If something like that would be different, that is, you would care about that if it happened in Brussels, than you should accept more easily the idea that there are people who feel at home at many places in the world, (this is not such a big place anymore) just like you feel Brussels is your home.
Unlike the old times, we can connect with remote places and events, however to truly connect with people will take some more time.
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I know everyone has their opinion about the attention and coverage given to this event, but I think it would really be appreciated if you guys discussed those in another topic (there is "Are Western "first world country" lives seen as more valuable by the media?" in the first page, more relevant to the subject, or you are free to open another topic about it). I hope we can all realize this is a sensitive issue and keep this topic about the incident itself
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Was still hoping for a different explanation but it look more and more like another senseless terrorist attack to hurt the innocentsRIP


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That is, of course, different. If you know people who are involved, it's normal to care for it (and to find my post shocking...) but most MTF posters probably do not. And I would reply that if something of the sort happened in Brussels and I knew people who were killed, you'll honestly have to say you don't care because it's a thousand miles away from where you are, and I'll be alone in grief. That's the way it is.

The victims of attacks that we learn about in the media would never hurt us more than the loss of a relative. We should stop this hypocrisy ! (it's horrific blabla). If I were to cry for every victims of attack that I learn about in the media, I'd have to cry everyday ! At the same moment there was an attack in Bagdad, nobody cared.
I would commend the words of the poet John Donne to you: "Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind..."
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This is obviously awful and all. I hope things like that would never happen; but it's just the over-idealistic side of me that could think this way.

But something I find more terrorising than terrorism itself is the fact that hundreds of people could be killed in a airplane crash in Uzbekistan, nobody would be talking about it. Only because it happened in Uzbekistan.
I think every country just gives TOO MUCH importance to what could happen in the United States. Well... I know: History, money, power, blah blah blah. But it's irritating, unfair and unjustifiable.
Airplane crash is a tragic accident. It may be because of human error or ignorance, but nevertheless, an accident.

The incident in Boston is a planned terrorist attack. Some human being planned and created bombs purposely to kill and hurt as many human beings as possible.

Boston Marathon is an international event. The many flags flying where the first bomb exploded represent countries of the athletes.
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I don't think this is the right time to start preaching about bias in media.
Personally, I think that this is exactly the right time. Perhaps not "preaching", but it deserves some serious thought.

In Iran, there was a big earthquake. At the moment, they've counted at least 40 people dead (with the fear of that figure being a lot higher). This isn't an attack so not caused by humans but it would still be interesting to see how the media attention compares with the attention given to the storms in the New York area recently.
There's no thread started on the Iran earthquake and I would be willing to bet that if a massive earthquake like that happened in LA or the UK or so, it would have a thread. So, exactly on this day, I feel it's the right time to talk about bias and hypocrisy involved because it is happening right now.

In Syria, people are currently living and dying in horrible circumstances and the news about Syria is spread as if you're talking about the price of 1 kg of oranges.
Perhaps this is exaggerated but IMO, not by much. This involves lots of innocent people and nearly nobody gives a damn, by the looks of it.

Not to say that what happened in Boston is not horrible. Of course, it's terrible. A marathon like that should be a joyful event, a celebration of life.

But on a day like this, when you compare what happens around the world and just how much more importance is given to the US drama, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

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