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Old 03-29-2013, 10:14 PM   #166
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Logic. Not even once. Like arguing with a woman!
What because we can't always get things we want? People are upset Ferrer won because they wanted to witness a more entertaining final. Well, sport does that to you. That's the nature (and, often, beauty) of it. Without these variables, it'd be completely dull. And please elaborate on how you think I am being illogical in this argument. This should be fun.

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Let's not exaggerate. People tend to be nostalgic you know.
About the next point well...that's the nature of MTF. You are going to have to cope with that. Besides valid comments there is also a lot of trolling, clowning etc. , some a lot worse than what we see today.
It's ridiculous. It makes your love of the sport decline; constantly complaining and carping. I have no problem with calling Ferrer a "dull player" but "unwatchable" is unnecessary, juvenile hyperbole.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:19 PM   #167
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Fancy rhetoric? Please, instead of critiquing my method of argument, be more persuasive. Do you understand what the word "unwatchable" means? Do you have any idea how much significance that word holds? I have openly stated Ferrer's game isn't the most endearing out there, but to go to those extreme, maximal lengths and call his game unwatchable is juvenile and puerile. You tennis complainers are hard to please.



I consider most of his matches light, easy entertainment, and certainly not unwatchable.
If we compare it to puppy torturing, then yes, Ferrer playing "tennis" is a walk in the park.

But the gradient here is based on the actual tennis players.

In terms of unwatchability here is my top 3 -

1. Ferrer
2. Raonic
3. Anyone else has smth appealing, ever Troicki, even Isner, even Simon, etc.

So from the active tennis players i rate Ferrer unwatchable. And the weight of the term is just in the eyes of the beholder
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His gameplan quickly dissolves when he faces Real Top 4. AO SF and Acapulco F showed that.
Same can be said for most other players outside re the Real Top 4.
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I see, does he also block people right after you prove him wrong ?
I don´t have a clue. You shouldn´t care either, iskuliraj ga. Tough break on the Haas loss.
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If he wins Miami his mummy and daddy are going to buy him a Mickey Mouse tournament in Spain and give wild cards to family members.


Ferrer is already partial owner of the Valencia tournament.
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If we compare it to puppy torturing, then yes, Ferrer playing "tennis" is a walk in the park.

But the gradient here is based on the actual tennis players.

In terms of unwatchability here is my top 3 -

1. Ferrer
2. Raonic
3. Anyone else has smth appealing, ever Troicki, even Isner, even Simon, etc.

So from the active tennis players i rate Ferrer unwatchable. And the weight of the term is just in the eyes of the beholder
So, by its definition, if you were offered free tickets to watch Ferrer play an obscure qualifier, live, in person, with great seating, you'd decline the offer?
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Even i can try to hit a flat FH every 10 shots, but he refuses to do so.

That's what i hate about him. He prefers to stay there and wait one of those guys is barely standing (Ao against Nadal..) and feast on his greatest victory...from where i suppose comes his fair nickname.

But never would he try to hit a flat shot from baseline ever, just top spin on the BH, top spin on the BH and again...

One either has sympathy for the guy being humble and knowing he couldn't do more, so he just works on his already endless stamina and hopes for less endurant adversaries.

Or despises this kind of...vulturing really, can't find a better word, it describes it so well.

I've always been in the middle and just by common courtesy stayed mostly on the "respect for the hard worker" side, but his disgusting intentional grunting tonight just lost me for this cause.

I'd rather watch Raonic beat Verdasco on clay than Ferrer outgrunt and outgrind and shotmaker, any of them.
Good luck finding a player who is at least 10 cm shorter than his opponents pounding out winners with flat shots on a consistent basis, especially against the GOAT defenders we have now
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From the most objective perspective possible, that's correct.
He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.
Mug, if you are a new comer, I must warn you: as an apparently sensible poster, the best thing to do is to ignore the anti-Ferrer trolls and haters. They cannot cope with the fact that Ferrer is n°4 and wins matches against players they consider superior. They're not looking for reasonable arguments, they just want to vent their feelings, so, let them
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So, by its definition, if you were offered free tickets to watch Ferrer play an obscure qualifier, live, in person, with great seating, you'd decline the offer?
ok, i change my claim - Ferrer is the most unwatchable player on TV

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Same can be said for most other players outside re the Real Top 4.
True, but he is so ridiculously outplayed by them it's almost a joke. H2H vs Federer 0-14??? I won't even mention this year's results against Big 4.
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Mug, if you are a new comer, I must warn you: as an apparently sensible poster, the best thing to do is to ignore the anti-Ferrer trolls and haters. They cannot cope with the fact that Ferrer is n°4 and wins matches against players they consider superior. They're not looking for reasonable arguments, they just want to vent their feelings, so, let them
Their laughable in the extreme. I am fine with anybody who clearly has a distaste for Ferrer and his game, but the amount of sheer hyperbole and foolhardiness on display is spellbinding.


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ok, i change my claim - Ferrer is the most unwatchable player on TV

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No, because I still disagree with you.
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It isn't settled for certain but given the number of points both players have to defend between now and RG it looks almost certain. Even if Nadal wins MC, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome then there is still a decent chance that Ferrer would be ahead of him as he would only need something like 900 points between now and RG.
Does RG seed according to ranking? The tournament seeded Sampras one all those years? Wordless when it comes to a scenario were a player who's won the event 7/last 8 times is seeded fifth. Manchester will be tropical before the French do Nadal any favours I suppose.

Disappointing match. Murray/Ferrer - Murray/Simon = no to both. I'll >> & just watch Andy's bh winners.
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Ferrer being in the 2 out of the last 3 MS finals.

Well done to the Iron Warrior.
patetic era....

haas after many injurys and surgerys with 35 years old in the semis ( defeating the nº1) and against ferrer , a guy of federer generation but that in that time he was another x player and " specialist in clay"

how a clay court player like ferrer won his first masters1000 in indoor , and plays finals of WTF , shangai and miami???? or winning in grass too!!!!!!!!!!

and nadull`s tard pissed when I say that is the most patetic era in clay of all times.

the second best clay court specialist after nadal has his better archivements in hard and indoor!!!!

but this is this era , robost from the baseline running and returning , the good and classical tennis???? it`s dead.

I don`t know if roger`s era was weak or strong , but the tennis quality was much better , much more beatiful tennis with more faster corts.

ATP with his homogenization of the surfaces it`s killing tennis
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Good luck finding a player who is at least 10 cm shorter than his opponents pounding out winners with flat shots on a consistent basis, especially against the GOAT defenders we have now
This is exactly why i like guys like Oli Rochus and Kei Nishikori, coz they would try. They would lose most times (just as Ferrer actually), but the matches would always be entertaining and they would gain respect from people like me, who appreciate this kind of tennis.

That's what i dislike about Ferrer, but mostly the grunting part. This pissed me off big time tonight. I usually try to avoid watching him (on TV, i would defo go to watch him live... ), but i did several times and his grunting never was that displaced and annoying.

Does he do this all the time or only when in losing position? I mean, this was really bad, i felt a bit like a long time Armstrong fan....
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