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Old 03-28-2013, 08:23 AM   #121
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If the current "sentencing" rules appear to be unfair by most reasonable people, why can't the rules be changed?

I suggest:

1. The most serious offenses, wishing death, injury or making threats regarding players or other posters should be very strictly handled and not tolerated. Whether intended as a "joke" or not, if you are a first time offender, you should be strongly reprimanded, and notified on the next occurrence, you will be permanently banned. Recall the incident at Shanghai last year when some idiot threatened Federer on a board with an image depicting decapitation. These kinds of things are very serious and can result in boards being closed down or changed so that moderation occurs with each post.

2. Nobody should be perma-banned for a lesser offense, even if it caused someone to go over some arbitrary limit that the current rules state gives a perma-ban. There should simply be a maximum ban period assigned for those kind of repeated offenses and it should be repeatedly applied once one reaches that level. The more "serious" the offense, the longer the maximum ban period and the maximum ban period for each offense should be well advertised in the rules. I would argue that this approach would save time for admins/mods in the long run.

3. After the rules are fixed in such a way, then I would suggest amnesty be given to any of the perma-banned posters who were permanently banned, except for reasons as noted in #1 above, and allow them to post if or once their maximum ban time has been served.

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Old 03-28-2013, 08:25 AM   #122
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I side with masterclass's suggestion, and am willing to consider a board-wide protest in favor of it.

I am willing to do my part in such a protest and stop updating the rankings, stop posting my sig and my avatar in favor of bringing back unfair permabanned posters and change to the rules.
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Oh well, off topic. That's certainly a bad thing, isn't it? And I'm sure you do find it unrelated.

What is the point? I wrote a long carefully considered email to a moderator about sexism on this board and got absolutely no reply to it. I'm not bothering again.
Lol yep, every time the WTA is even alluded to, we get a string of misogynist comments. Or Murray's mom and Fed's wife etc.
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Well I read the post that did him in- he really should have known better after all this time. Not sure this thread will have much good guys but I think it is important to have your say.
Dr Sue, I didn't see the post but I guess he kinda wanted to get permabanned, he knew he was one strike away. Sad really.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:41 AM   #125
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Yeah, thanks with bashing all moderators.

I agree with almost every post in here and would have liked to see it differently as well. Maybe the moderating team does need to be more open for the opinions of the MTF posters.

But saying each and every moderator are here because they are fond of power is ridiculous.
If you could have done a better job, why didn't you apply for it yourself?
Bashing?
Not all criticism is bashing, and what you replied to was pretty mild.

I said the mods were biased in how they handled posts about certain top players, and I got warned for "mod bashing."

This is another rule that needs to be reevaluated. Criticism is not synonymous with bashing.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:55 AM   #126
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Bashing?
Not all criticism is bashing, and what you replied to was pretty mild.

I said the mods were biased in how they handled posts about certain top players, and I got warned for "mod bashing."

This is another rule that needs to be reevaluated. Criticism is not synonymous with bashing.
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It's normal to get ban, he is not follow rules and he is ban, if you not follow rules outside a forum and get arrested, someone will forgive you?

And don't say that is mod faults, no one from moderators write from Corey account ...
Every moderator give his/her free time to manage forum.
Rules or laws aren't a purpose themselves. The main aim of a rule is to make the world better than it was before being applied. When the rules do not fulfill their main purpose we can speak of tyranny or lack of common sense, which is the worst sin of a moderator.

A question for you, any bolded and sharp decision like a permaban requires the agreement of all the moderators or is enough that one of you make the decision? In this case it seems that at least one moderator disagrees.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:03 AM   #128
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This is the first step of my protest against applying permabans to users in such fashion that it bring discomfort to the general mood of the forums.

Until these 5 users along with the other users banned without a good reason as defined by MC's post are brought back and the permaban rule is changed to reflect only the most grave infractions, this protest will grow worse.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:03 AM   #129
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That's what's happening when you put 18 y.o pubers and 1 year MTF old as mods

the last legend of MTf is gone.

Seriously
I was actually very surprised when I saw some mods have not been here long. Some of them have been on MTF even shorter than I have.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:09 AM   #130
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The most unfair ban at MTF that I know. Yeah, he also trolled but everybody does that at MTF. I don't think he ever went over the the line.

Unban Corey Feldman!!!!
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:11 AM   #131
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Stop the executions, give users the benefit of the doubt, punish them for trolling, but don't stop them permanently from posting.
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I suggested before in a PM to smowwy that users should just be banned in certain sections for a while. For example if a posters trolling supposed bannable offences mainly happened in GM he should be given a week or two ban just from their. I was told this couldn't be done but having been an admin and mod on vbulletin forums before I know that it is possible...
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:24 AM   #133
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Thanks for your support of my suggestion Slash. It's not the mods fault for applying the existing rules as written.
Let's see how the admins or whomever has power to alter the rules respond. If nothing happens, it seems protest is the next reasonable option. Nothing forces us to continue as we have...

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I suggested before in a PM to smowwy that users should just be banned in certain sections for a while. For example if a posters trolling supposed bannable offences mainly happened in GM he should be given a week or two ban just from their. I was told this couldn't be done but having been an admin and mod on vbulletin forums before I know that it is possible...
This was done to GlennMirnyi once I think... He was banned from GM specifically.
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I side with masterclass's suggestion, and am willing to consider a board-wide protest in favor of it.

I am willing to do my part in such a protest and stop updating the rankings, stop posting my sig and my avatar in favor of bringing back unfair permabanned posters and change to the rules.
I'll be the first signee.
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