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Old 03-24-2013, 11:22 PM   #151
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It is.

Look up at the definition of pigeon.
Yeah the highly official MTF definition of pigeon.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:41 PM   #152
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those stats don't mean anything.

Huge majority of those H2H's were played on clay(more than 50%). Considering Nadal is playing almost every tour on clay, those H2H's aren't surprising.

Would be more creditable, if Nadal plays more tours outside clay, and imagine if we had more grass tournaments. But ofc he'd skip those, the only reason he plays Queens, is because its the only pre-slam tournament on grass.

No doubt Nadal is much better than most of those top 10, but H2H's don't mean much considering the circumstances.
doesn't matter

tennis is a sport played on all surfaces

Nadal has met them all on hard court as well as clay
he certainly wins most of the wins on clay but also has beaten them all on other surfaces as well

you can't pin point 'so and so doesn't deserve blank because of the surface' it's a dumb circular logic

the fact is he has beaten everyone in tennis more times than they have beaten him

H2Hs are very relevant and irrelevant of the surface- why do you think tennis analysts and commentators and players have been bringing H2H back into conversations over and over for decades?
there is no way to ignore that it has significance

even taking away clay, Nadal would be matched or beating the majority of his rivals in H2H, it just wouldn't be as disjointed
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Yeah the highly official MTF definition of pigeon.
beyond 'pigeon', Nadal is the only one to be winning in H2H against all of top 10...
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it'll be hilarious when his pigeon deprives him of another GS title soon
it's hilarious that we're going into clay season and Nadal beat Djokovic 3 consecutive times last year on clay.... ouchhh bro
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it's hilarious that we're going into clay season and Nadal beat Djokovic 3 consecutive times last year on clay.... ouchhh bro
that's irrelevant cause Nadal was healthy then and now he's not...or is it the other way around
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Why would you like to see that, does clay not count as tennis in your eyes?
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doesn't matter

tennis is a sport played on all surfaces

Nadal has met them all on hard court as well as clay
he certainly wins most of the wins on clay but also has beaten them all on other surfaces as well

you can't pin point 'so and so doesn't deserve blank because of the surface' it's a dumb circular logic

the fact is he has beaten everyone in tennis more times than they have beaten him

H2Hs are very relevant and irrelevant of the surface- why do you think tennis analysts and commentators and players have been bringing H2H back into conversations over and over for decades?
there is no way to ignore that it has significance

even taking away clay, Nadal would be matched or beating the majority of his rivals in H2H, it just wouldn't be as disjointed
''tennis is a sport played on all surfaces'', Really?

Ofc its played on all surfaces, but the thing is, others play much more tours on clay than Nadal outside of clay.
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Djokovic: 19-14
Federer: 19-10
Murray: 13-5
Ferrer: 17-4
Berdych: 13-3
Del Potro: 8-3
Tsonga: 7-3
Tipsarevic: 3-0
Gasquet: 10-0
Almagro: 9-0

Any conclusions?
Obviously Nadal is a great champion but Djokovic and Nadal have a VERY close rivalry. Novak has knocked off Nadal in three grand slam finals and beaten him multiple times. He's the only one I believe who can seriously challenge Nadal. the other players like Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, just don't have the mental toughness. I like Del Potro but even he choked against Nadal last week in Indian Wells. Nadal's aura as a champion causes a lot of these men including Federer to have doubt.
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I don't think mental toughness is Ferrer's, Berdych's, Del Potro's and Tsonga's problem when facing Nadal.

He didn't choke anything in IW, he was as clutch as you can possibly be on break points. Nadal's game is what's too much for all these guys.
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Roddick, the biggest opposition that Roger had to face in order to win slams from 2003 to 2007
oh , well , where is the biggest opposition of nadal in clay????

nadal is in the most weak era of all times in clay.

at least fed had players like roddick , safin or hewitt in hard or grass.

nadal in clay has like main rivals fast court specialists like nole and roger.

the other great clay court player behind nadal is ferrer , so great in clay that his best results in slams and tournys were in indoor!!!!
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oh , well , where is the biggest opposition of nadal in clay????

nadal is in the most weak era of all times in clay.

at least fed had players like roddick , safin or hewitt in hard or grass.

nadal in clay has like main rivals fast court specialists like nole and roger.

the other great clay court player behind nadal is ferrer , so great in clay that his best results in slams and tournys were in indoor!!!!
It really doesn't matter what opposition Nadal has on clay, he is unplayable.
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''tennis is a sport played on all surfaces'', Really?

Ofc its played on all surfaces, but the thing is, others play much more tours on clay than Nadal outside of clay.
Also, most other surfaces have been as slow as, if not slower, than clay.

And no wonder Nadal's greatest adversary is Nole, who's actually very good if not the best in slow ass surfaces. (not to mention Nole is only a year younger than Nadal).

And I expect by the end of their career, Nole will have positive H2H against Nadal.
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Also, most other surfaces have been as slow as, if not slower, than clay.

And no wonder Nadal's greatest adversary is Nole, who's actually very good if not the best in slow ass surfaces. (not to mention Nole is only a year younger than Nadal).

And I expect by the end of their career, Nole will have positive H2H against Nadal.
Not if they keep only facing each other on clay.
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Default Re: Every top 10 player on the tour is a pigeon of Nadal

Funny how haters say "but it's on clay"... pretty much admitting that anyone on clay against Nadal is helpless so it should not even count when it comes to H2H
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Nadal is the only player to have done so. I don't remember a player in the last 15-20 years to have done anything even close to that. Not sure if Laver, Newcombie and others have done a similar thing. Someone need to check. But I highly doubt it. I also don't see how someone other in the following years could do the same thing. Djokovic is close but he surely needs to turnaround a couple of H2Hs.
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