[Andreas]

Originally Posted by Gavnich77

Players have to take some responsibility themselves though, and given that the majority of players sent to the right manager I don't see why an exception should be made for the ones who didn't. I didn't follow the discussions much this year but if I lost because of a rule change (which this isn't) that I was unaware of then that's my fault for not checking the rules, not anyone elses for not telling me about the rules when I could have checked them myself.

The TT rules have evolved over time to remove as much subjectivity as possible as this is what the majority have wanted.

I see what you are saying. But I just think the game gets too strict when there is no transparency in cases like these. AdeyC lives and breathes for this game so there's not much I can do I guess, as much as I disagree with the rule (didn't know it even existed).

[MathMul]

I made a mistake and I get punished for it, sure. The question is if the punishment really makes sense in this special case and I think it doesn't. I'd like to point out again:

Well, 1st day I have to send picks to AdeyC, 2nd day I have to send picks to ESimp, because I play against AdeyC in qualy finals, 3rd day then AdeyC makes OOP, but I have to send picks to ESimp again... How could I NOT be confused here?!

[Marto]

Originally Posted by MathMul

I made a mistake and I get punished for it, sure. The question is if the punishment really makes sense in this special case and I think it doesn't. I'd like to point out again:

Well, 1st day I have to send picks to AdeyC, 2nd day I have to send picks to ESimp, because I play against AdeyC in qualy finals, 3rd day then AdeyC makes OOP, but I have to send picks to ESimp again... How could I NOT be confused here?!

Are you blind? It was written


Send to ESimp

[savesthedizzle]

Originally Posted by Gavnich77

Players have to take some responsibility themselves though, and given that the majority of players sent to the right manager I don't see why an exception should be made for the ones who didn't. I didn't follow the discussions much this year but if I lost because of a rule change (which this isn't) that I was unaware of then that's my fault for not checking the rules, not anyone elses for not telling me about the rules when I could have checked them myself.

The TT rules have evolved over time to remove as much subjectivity as possible as this is what the majority have wanted.

If this isnt a rule change then it wasn't enforced much in the past because I have seen picks forwarded often in these situations. And if thats the case then good on tt for being stricter about the rules we already have. I am negatively affected in this case and I agree with the ruling. I am just concerned that people are unaware of rules...and yes that is their responsibility...but at the same time I think people need to be aware. Not everyone looks forward to off season rules debates like I do. If I just started tt last season I wouldnt know how regularly the rules have evolved. If this were IRL I would make everyone sign off that they know and acknowledge the rules every season but I don't think there is a way to do that online.

[MathMul]

Originally Posted by Marto

Are you blind? It was written


Send to ESimp

Yes, I am blind and as well stupid, ESimp and AdeyC have done nothing to confuse anyone.

[Marto]

Originally Posted by MathMul

Yes, I am blind and as well stupid, ESimp and AdeyC have done nothing to confuse anyone.

It's not my problem that you can't read sorry
Rules are rules and they are for everyone

[ESimp]

Okay folks lets let this discussion rest. The differences will stay as listed this morning.

I apologize to the two individuals this affected but lets move on and have a good rest of the week

[ESimp]

2 More matches will be played in R1 tomorrow.

SINGLES ROUND 1 DIFFERENCES


00:00 | (1) savesthedizzle (USA) vs. Blarghman (CAN) #SRs: 0-0
01:00 | Lisandro (BRA) vs. bavaria100 (GER) #SRs: 1-0
00:01 | (Q) 1987518LPF (CHN) vs. Eddy DoubleD (ROU) #SRs: 0-0
01:01 | Renaud (KAZ) vs. (8) keqtqiadv (BRA) #SRs: 0-0

01:00 | (4) Sheva (NED) vs. Rodrigo R3 (BRA) #SRs: 1-0
01:01 | (LL) procarvalho (BRA) vs. KingDocy (GER) #SRs: 0-0
01:01 | Björki (GER) vs. 156mphserve (CAN) #SRs: 0-0
00:01 | FERNET (IND) vs. (6) *Jean* (FRA) #SRs: 0-1

01:01 | (7) Hellcat (GBR) vs. erickmartins (FRA) #SRs: 0-1
01:02 | Tomek. (POL) vs. Mishka Logvi (UKR) #SRs: 1-2
01:00 | Sham Kay (GBR) vs. (LL) AdeyC (GBR) #SRs: 0-0
02:01 | (LL) CoolyBri (GER) vs. (3) mateusz2904 (POL) #SRs: 2-0

00:01 | (5) Gallina (ARG) vs. (Q) Rafael Reis (BRA) #SRs: 0-0
01:00 | joe87 (AUT) vs. KittyTennis (USA) #SRs: 0-0
00:01 | Gavnich77 (GBR) vs. (Q) MESSS (BRA) #SRs: 0-0
01:01 | Elmo Jr (BRA) vs. (2) Tytta!. (BRA) #SRs: 0-0

[ESimp]

7 More matches will be played in R1 tomorrow.

DOUBLE ROUND 1 DIFFERENCES


02:02 | (1) *Jean*/mateusz2904 (FRA/POL) vs. Lisandro/Rafael Reis (BRA/BRA) #SRs: 1-1
02:00 | Sheva/KingDocy (NED/GER) vs. Gallina/FERNET (ARG/IND) #SRs: 1-0
01:02 | (4) AdeyC/BrunoBeidacki (GBR/BRA) vs. jahrastaman_BR/jackjones (SWE/BRA) #SRs: 0-0
02:03 | (Q) MESSS/procarvalho (BRA/BRA) vs. 156mphserve/CoolyBri (CAN/GER) #SRs: 0-2

00:01 | Nev/petesampras_1 (ARG/CHN) vs. coolfish1103/Blarghman (USA/CAN) #SRs: 0-0
02:02 | Tomek./Renaud (POL/KAZ) vs. (3) keqtqiadv/Tytta!. (BRA/BRA) #SRs: 1-0
02:01 | (Q) Eddy DoubleD/erickmartins (ROU/FRA) vs. (LL) Gavnich77/Thales de Mileto (GBR/BRA) #SRs: 1-0
01:01 | Rodrigo R3/Elmo Jr (BRA/BRA) vs. (2) Hellcat/1987518LPF (GBR/CHN) #SRs: 0-0

[ESimp]

TUESDAY OOP



THE FOLLOWING MATCHES COUNT FOR ROUND 1 SINGLES AND ROUND 1 DOUBLES



Jan HAJEK (CZE) vs Dudi SELA (ISR) PTS1 (PTS6 for doubles)
Adrian MANNARINO (FRA) vs Steve DARCIS (BEL) PTS2 (PTS7 for doubles)



THE FOLLOWING MATCHES COUNT FOR ROUND 2 SINGLES AND ROUND 1 DOUBLES

Gael MONFILS (FRA) vs Ruben BEMELMANS (BEL) PTS1
Jarkko NIEMINEN (FIN) vs Florent SERRA (FRA) SR2 (PTS2 for doubles)
Paul-Henri MATHIEU (FRA) vs Sergiy STAKHOVSKY (UKR) SR3 (PTS3 for doubles)
Benoit PAIRE (FRA) vs Adrian MENENDEZ-MACEIRAS (ESP) SR4 (PTS4 for doubles)
Victor HANESCU (ROU) vs Guillermo OLASO (ESP) SR5 (PTS5 for doubles)


Please send your picks to ESimp

Deadline to send picks is 12:00PM Local

MATCHES COUNT FOR SINGLES AND DOUBLES ROUND 1 DAY 2/2 AND SINGLES ROUND 2

GOOD LUCK

[Gavnich77]

Originally Posted by Andreas

I see what you are saying. But I just think the game gets too strict when there is no transparency in cases like these. AdeyC lives and breathes for this game so there's not much I can do I guess, as much as I disagree with the rule (didn't know it even existed).

I sympathise but these rules became so strict in order to have transparency, I.e., the rule is the same for everyone and no picks will be accepted if sent to the wrong manager rather than sometimes accepting and sometimes not. It's the same with late picks, 1 minute past the deadline is the same as no picks.

[bavaria100]

0/4 today

[coolfish1103]

Originally Posted by Marto

As board member I say not to accept this picks. Players had one obligation, to read carefully OOP.
About coolfish stupid post I'll say that ESimp apply for this tournament one month ago, in this month everything can happen, unexpected trip or circumances, for example when I manage Moscow, boss came and said to me today you should travel for one day for Bucurest, what I should say : " Boss I'm sorry I'm managing TT this week and I can't". Be serious every manager have private life and he is managing here because he/she love game, in real life I should go to work, university but I try my best but because of people like you i'm aksing should I continue doing everything

Confusions

- QD R1 send to A, OOP by A
- QD FR send to A, OOP by A (but playing against A so had to send to E)
- MD R1 send to E, OOP by A
- MD R2 send to E, OOP by E

Last post on this because every time the discussions escalates to people having lives and should appreciate the work.

We know the managers spent their private time to do this, things do come up and we do appreciate. For this, I am just offering suggestions to solve confusions. Maybe the first option is not as considerate for the managers, but they are just presented there in attempt to solve confusions in the future. I think the second option is do able but yeah since it's stupid, just stick with the new rules (since people really need to learn to read).

[ESimp]

Missing Picks from KittyTennis

SINGLES ROUND 1 DIFFERENCES

00:00 | (1) savesthedizzle (USA) vs. Blarghman (CAN) (SR 0:0) - Same winners; SR Differences: None; PTS SELA 7-6 6-3, MANNARINO 6-4 4-6 6-3 vs Sela 6:4 7:6, Mannarino 4:6 7:6 6:4
01:00 | Lisandro (BRA) vs. bavaria100 (GER) (SR 1:0) - Same winners;
00:01 | (Q) 1987518LPF (CHN) vs. Eddy DoubleD (ROU) (SR 0:0) - Same winners;
01:01 | Renaud (KAZ) vs. (8) keqtqiadv (BRA) (SR 0:0) - MANNARINO vs. DARCIS

01:00 | (4) Sheva (NED) vs. Rodrigo R3 (BRA) (SR 1:0) - SELA vs. HAJEK SR Differences: SELA 2-0 vs. HAJEK 2-1, MANNARINO 2-1 v 2-0
01:01 | (LL) procarvalho (BRA) vs. KingDocy (GER) (SR 0:0) - HAJEK, DARCIS vs. SELA, MANNARINO SR Differences: HAJEK 2-1 vs. SELA 2-1, DARCIS 2-0 vs. MANNARINO 2-1
01:01 | Björki (GER) vs. 156mphserve (CAN) (SR 0:0) - SELA vs. HAJEK
00:01 | FERNET (IND) vs. (6) *Jean* (FRA) (SR 0:1) - Same winners;

01:01 | (7) Hellcat (GBR) vs. erickmartins (FRA) (SR 0:1) - Same winners; SR Differences: SELA 2-1 v 2-0, MANNARINO 2-1 v 2-0
01:02 | Tomek. (POL) vs. Mishka Logvi (UKR) (SR 1:2) - DARCIS vs. MANNARINO SR Differences: DARCIS 2-1 vs. MANNARINO 2-0
01:00 | Sham Kay (GBR) vs. (LL) AdeyC (GBR) (SR 0:0) - SELA, MANNARINO vs. HAJEK, DARCIS
02:01 | (LL) CoolyBri (GER) vs. (3) mateusz2904 (POL) (SR 2:0) - Same winners;

00:01 | (5) Gallina (ARG) vs. (Q) Rafael Reis (BRA) (SR 0:0) - HAJEK vs. SELA SR Differences: HAJEK 2-1 vs. SELA 2-0, MANNARINO 2-0 v 2-1
01:00 | joe87 (AUT) vs. KittyTennis (USA) (SR 0:0) - Missing picks from KittyTennis
00:01 | Gavnich77 (GBR) vs. (Q) MESSS (BRA) (SR 0:0) - Same winners;
01:01 | Elmo Jr (BRA) vs. (2) Tytta!. (BRA) (SR 0:0) - MANNARINO vs. DARCIS

Picks Count:
HAJEK	   9	SELA	22
MANNARINO  21	DARCIS	10

[ESimp]

Missing Picks from petesampras_1 and procarvalho (Only sent 2/7)

DOUBLES ROUND 1 DIFFERENCES

02:02 | (1) *Jean*/mateusz2904 (FRA/POL) vs. Lisandro/Rafael Reis (BRA/BRA) (SR 1:1) - HAJEK, DARCIS vs. SELA, MANNARINO SR Differences: MATHIEU 2-0 v. MATHIEU 2-1, HAJEK 2-0 v. SELA 2-0, DARCIS 2-0 v. MANNARINO 2-1, MANNARINO 2-0 v. MANNARINO 2-1
02:00 | Sheva/KingDocy (NED/GER) vs. Gallina/FERNET (ARG/IND) (SR 1:0) - SELA +2, MANNARINO vs. HAJEK +2, DARCIS
01:02 | (4) AdeyC/BrunoBeidacki (GBR/BRA) vs. jahrastaman_BR/jackjones (SWE/BRA) (SR 0:0) - HAJEK, DARCIS vs. SELA, MANNARINO
02:03 | (Q) MESSS/procarvalho (BRA/BRA) vs. 156mphserve/CoolyBri (CAN/GER) (SR 0:2) - No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, HAJEK, DARCIS +2 vs. MONFILS, NIEMINEN, MATHIEU, PAIRE, HANESCU, SELA, MANNARINO +2

00:01 | Nev/petesampras_1 (ARG/CHN) vs. coolfish1103/Blarghman (USA/CAN) (SR 0:0) - No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, No Pick, HAJEK, No Pick, No Pick vs. MONFILS, NIEMINEN, MATHIEU, PAIRE, HANESCU, SELA +2, DARCIS SR Differences: No Pick v. MONFILS 2-0, No Pick v. NIEMINEN 2-1, MATHIEU 2-1 v. MATHIEU 2-0, No Pick v. MATHIEU 2-0, No Pick v. PAIRE 2-0, No Pick v. HANESCU 2-0, HAJEK 2-1 v. SELA 2-1, No Pick v. SELA 2-0, MANNARINO 2-0 v. DARCIS 2-0, No Pick v. MANNARINO 2-1
02:02 | Tomek./Renaud (POL/KAZ) vs. (3) keqtqiadv/Tytta!. (BRA/BRA) (SR 1:0) - SERRA, MANNARINO vs. NIEMINEN, DARCIS SR Differences: NIEMINEN 2-1 v. NIEMINEN 2-0, SERRA 2-0 v. NIEMINEN 2-0, SELA 2-1 v. SELA 2-0, MANNARINO 2-0 v. DARCIS 2-1
02:01 | (Q) Eddy DoubleD/erickmartins (ROU/FRA) vs. (LL) Gavnich77/Thales de Mileto (GBR/BRA) (SR 1:0) - NIEMINEN, MATHIEU, HANESCU, SELA +2, MANNARINO vs. SERRA, STAKHOVSKY, OLASO, HAJEK +2, DARCIS
01:01 | Rodrigo R3/Elmo Jr (BRA/BRA) vs. (2) Hellcat/1987518LPF (GBR/CHN) (SR 0:0) - HAJEK vs. SELA

Picks Count:
MONFILS	   30	BEMELMANS	   0
NIEMINEN   28	SERRA	           2
MATHIEU	   29	STAKHOVSKY	   1
PAIRE	   30	MENENDEZ-MACEIRAS  0
HANESCU	   29	OLASO	           1
HAJEK	   11	SELA	           20
MANNARINO  21	DARCIS	           10