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View Poll Results: Has Djokovic surpassed Edberg and Becker?

He has surpassed both 84 56.76%
He has surpassed neither 47 31.76%
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:24 AM   #106
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90's were a weak era, Sampras servebotting Wimbledon and USO, but puking all over courts when match took more than two hours. Clown on clay, who used his fail serve and volley, when even a casual tennis fan you need solid topspin ground game not mindless net rushing and all or nothing ball bashing. RG in the 90's was as bad as it's on WTA today, every year new winner and not because of diverse field, but because of mugs stinking up the courts. One slam flukes like Ivanisievic, Krajicek and Chang making top 5 Washed up Becker, Lendl and Edberg Clownpras no competition at all, esp in late 90's except Drugassi who was winning slams until mid 30's, still failed to win RG because of one dimensional S&V game, got bageled by Clownfelnikov on clay Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych/Soderling > 90's players like Chang/Krajicek etc easy. Nadal/Olderer/Djoker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Servepras and Drugassi
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Agassi is better than Nadal and Djokovic for now. He won all the slams in 3 different surfaces and when the surfaces were actually different.
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Old 02-02-2013, 01:28 AM   #107
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I disliked Chang and his religious fanaticism- crediting God for his success every single tournament was going a bit far. But he is definitely better than Ferrer for sure.
Of course. Chang was seriously competitive with the best of his time, reached 3 gs finals and won one, was world # 2. And he played legendary matches, Chang vs. Lendl 1989 is one of those historical events that won't be forgotten. By contrast, I wonder how many people will recall a Ferrer match in 25 years.
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I'm surprised you think RG was so muggy in the 90s- guys with similar games to Nadal (with less topspin due to technology) were dominating- Muster and Bruguera for example.
They didn't win enough titles, not really dominating. Chang, Gomez, Kafelnikov, Agassi (Medvedev in final) - really had no business winning RG. It was most wide open slam in the 90's IMO. Even in 2000's there was Gaudio.
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Ivanisevic and Krajicek were as good technically as a Del Potro, yet, Topspindoctor dont realize Del Potro was a top 5 in this era while krajicek only entered top 5 in 1999.
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Ivanisevic and Krajicek were as good technically as a Del Potro, yet, Topspindoctor dont realize Del Potro was a top 5 in this era while krajicek only entered top 5 in 1999.
No, they were all serve. I have watched Ivanisevic play, he had horrendous ground game. Not top 50 level. Krajicek, same thing, both made a career of serving people off court in an era where courts played like ice rink.
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Ivanisevic and Krajicek were as good technically as a Del Potro, yet, Topspindoctor dont realize Del Potro was a top 5 in this era while krajicek only entered top 5 in 1999.
Krajicek was probably better.
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Of course. Chang was seriously competitive with the best of his time, reached 3 gs finals and won one, was world # 2. And he played legendary matches, Chang vs. Lendl 1989 is one of those historical events that won't be forgotten. By contrast, I wonder how many people will recall a Ferrer match in 25 years.
Or in short, Chang was an Ozeki (Champion) Ferrer is a Sekiwake. (Junior Champion) ;-)
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No, they were all serve. I have watched Ivanisevic play, he had horrendous ground game. Not top 50 level. Krajicek, same thing, both made a career of serving people off court in an era where courts played like ice rink.
Stop lying, you never watched any of those playing.
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Stop lying, you never watched any of those playing.
I watched it on youtube
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Agassi is better than Nadal and Djokovic for now. He won all the slams in 3 different surfaces and when the surfaces were actually different.
again with this shit

and Nadal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Agassi in every way and I am not his fan even
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90's were a weak era, Sampras servebotting Wimbledon and USO, but puking all over courts when match took more than two hours. Clown on clay, who used his fail serve and volley, when even a casual tennis fan you need solid topspin ground game not mindless net rushing and all or nothing ball bashing. RG in the 90's was as bad as it's on WTA today, every year new winner and not because of diverse field, but because of mugs stinking up the courts. One slam flukes like Ivanisievic, Krajicek and Chang making top 5 Washed up Becker, Lendl and Edberg Clownpras no competition at all, esp in late 90's except Drugassi who was winning slams until mid 30's, still failed to win RG because of one dimensional S&V game, got bageled by Clownfelnikov on clay Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych/Soderling > 90's players like Chang/Krajicek etc easy. Nadal/Olderer/Djoker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Servepras and Drugassi
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90's were a weak era, Sampras servebotting Wimbledon and USO, but puking all over courts when match took more than two hours. Clown on clay, who used his fail serve and volley, when even a casual tennis fan you need solid topspin ground game not mindless net rushing and all or nothing ball bashing. RG in the 90's was as bad as it's on WTA today, every year new winner and not because of diverse field, but because of mugs stinking up the courts. One slam flukes like Ivanisievic, Krajicek and Chang making top 5 Washed up Becker, Lendl and Edberg Clownpras no competition at all, esp in late 90's except Drugassi who was winning slams until mid 30's, still failed to win RG because of one dimensional S&V game, got bageled by Clownfelnikov on clay Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych/Soderling > 90's players like Chang/Krajicek etc easy. Nadal/Olderer/Djoker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Servepras and Drugassi
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No, they were all serve. I have watched Ivanisevic play, he had horrendous ground game. Not top 50 level. Krajicek, same thing, both made a career of serving people off court in an era where courts played like ice rink.
Funny thing is that Ivanisevic sometimes played decent clay court tennis. And had an entertaining perspnality. One of the stranger players in history. Krajicek, by contrast, was just dull. Him, Rusedski. Philippoussis - these were no good times in mens' tennis.
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again with this shit

and Nadal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Agassi in every way and I am not his fan even
Are all Djokovic fans so short in knowledge about tennis' history?

I guess that's what happens when you start watching tennis because of just one player...
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