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Old 01-25-2013, 09:43 AM   #1411
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Didn't they already change the Grass at Wimbledon in 2001? Sampras was already on the decline only getting up for the USO the year after. Federer got dominated by Henman soon after lmao.
They've done it after the tournament
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:51 PM   #1412
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They've done it after the tournament
this article says it was before the 2001 tournament :


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1815724,00.html


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In 2001, Wimbledon tore out all its courts and planted a new variety of groundcover. The new grass was 100% perennial rye; the old courts had been a mix of 70% rye and 30% creeping red fescue. The new lawn was more durable, and allowed Wimbledon's groundsmen to keep the soil underneath drier and firmer. A firmer surface causes the ball to bounce higher. A high bounce is anathema to the serve-and-volley player, who relies on approach shots skidding low through the court. What's more, rye, unlike fescue, grows in tufts that stand straight up; these tufts slow a tennis ball down as it lands.

Ivanisevic and Rafter were able to blast their way through the new grass because an exceptionally rainy two weeks had kept the courts soft. But the ground eventually dried, and baseliners have excelled since
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz2JIHqGygP

Also, this French journalist who has followed tennis for long says it was between 2000 and 2001 :

http://www.slate.fr/story/23359/wimb...nd-moins-speed

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Entre les éditions de 2000 et 2001, une nouvelle variété de gazon a été semée, il est vrai, sur tous les courts de Wimbledon après des études menées par The Sports Turf Research Institute, organisme situé dans le Yorkshire.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:40 PM   #1413
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The change to 100% rye was made before the 2001 tournament. The grass has been the same since then. Players began to get better defensively with each passing year leading us to believe that the courts have gotten slower with each passing year. In 2020 it appears to us as its playing slower than a mud court but it'll be the exact same grass as 2001.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:25 PM   #1414
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The racquet technology is the big reason for the slowing down of the courts as well, you are able to hit such crazy top spin and even power through the slowest of courts. So in a short sighted way the tennis officials though they were going to improve the game by changing the type of tennis balls they use and slowing down the courts drastically.

To get through the wall of defense that players developed now as a result of needing to be quicker, more fit, you need to get bigger muscles, get stronger and have a body more suited for contact sports then tennis. As a result players get joint and knee problems because they are too top heavy for the amount of running they do. It's going to be the WTA effect but happening slowing because of men having bodies that can last through physical strain a little better then their female counterparts. Make no mistake though, in the next 2 or 3 years you are going to get some funky withdraws and injuries to players that should be in their prime(see Nadal as an example)

Maybe that will make things more interesting when new players start winning, i just hope its actually because they beat them and not because they are not playing. I say Murray has no slam if Nadal is still there most of next year. Then again that is speculation and nobody likes those kinds of arguments and its just one persons opinion.

Also, the generation born right at the beginning of the 90's like Raonic, Dmitrov and many more who developed more of an offensive game are the most effected because of the style of tennis that is winning these days. I believe this is part of the reason you don't see any younger players who are threats, they developed a different type of game for a style that's going extinct. You need to not only have a big serve but also insane defensive skills and counting on forcing errors rather then hitting winners. I think the generation after that one will benefit more as they have already been training to play the kind of tennis that wins these days. Examples like the two handed backhand, heavier top spin and defensive tennis.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:33 PM   #1415
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Speed them up and let Murray show he is the true GOAT.
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Speed them up and let Murray show he is the true GOAT.
Murry will benefit the most from the change. His excellent anticipation, counterpunching and great ROS puts him abreast the big 3.
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The change to 100% rye was made before the 2001 tournament. The grass has been the same since then. Players began to get better defensively with each passing year leading us to believe that the courts have gotten slower with each passing year. In 2020 it appears to us as its playing slower than a mud court but it'll be the exact same grass as 2001.
I already posted in another similar thread the results I've got from a video frame-by-frame analysis comparing AO 2000 final (Agassi vs. Kafelnikov) and this year R16 match Djokovic vs. Wawrinka, which showed that the difference in deceleration by the surface between 2000 and 2013 is only marginal. But the players abilities and tactics have significantly improved by now.

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Old 01-28-2013, 07:24 PM   #1418
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I already posted in another similar thread the results I've got from a video frame-by-frame analysis comparing AO 2000 final (Agassi vs. Kafelnikov) and this year R16 match Djokovic vs. Wawrinka, which showed that the difference in deceleration by the surface between 2000 and 2013 is only marginal. But the players abilities and tactics have significantly improved by now.
Are you you factoring in the balls and racquets?
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Murry will benefit the most from the change. His excellent anticipation, counterpunching and great ROS puts him abreast the big 3.
no he wouldn't he would be blasted off the court by ballbashers often.......defensive players are never great on fast courts.....ask Nadal
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no he wouldn't he would be blasted off the court by ballbashers often.......defensive players are never great on fast courts.....ask Nadal
Yet Murray's record on fast courts is excellent
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Are you you factoring in the balls and racquets?
Only if the racquets start hitting the balls without being held by players!
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Only if the racquets start hitting the balls without being held by players!
But that effects technique and the speed of which the ball travels, the strings have changed so much in the past 15 years.
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But that effects technique and the speed of which the ball travels, the strings have changed so much in the past 15 years.
In the spirit of this thread, did that make the game slower?! Or maybe even faster?!
With every change players must adapt.
Whoever adapts better, is the better player.
And fans can only whine on the poor fortune of those who don't, and beg for conditions that will suit them.

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This is all starting to become disgusting.

If tennis continues along this path, matches like the ones between Djokovic and Murray will be the norm 10 years from now. God help us all.
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With all technological advances in racquets and strings, who still holds the fastest serve record? Andy Roddick!!!
There are limitations of the human body physiology which no technology can compensate and/or improve.
But there are still areas where those limitations are not yet reached. Faster retrieving, for instance, and tactics, smarter game. Take your opponent time for reaction, and he will look slow. And if you are faster then anybody, the game will look slow.
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