[ogbg]

Originally Posted by Mjau!

So, is the egg just a glorified altitude tent or what?

I think it's the opposite - a hyperbaric chamber - but I might be wrong.

[atennisfan]

yeahh.. the Spanish authority "sacrifice" their cyclists to protect their more valuable tennis stars and football stars.

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Originally Posted by atennisfan

yeahh.. the Spanish authority "sacrifice" their cyclists to protect their more valuable tennis stars and football stars.

Which stars? They have Nadal and that's it... I really like Ferrer, but don't think he's much of a star, while those bellow Ferrer are all mugs

[Caesar1844]

There is only one star of Spanish tennis and that is Deliciano.

[Henry Chinaski]

the files are from 2006, so the treatments would have been in the years leading up to that.

there were obviously a lot of well known spanish players and others based in spain during that period

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Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski

the files are from 2006, so the treatments would have been in the years leading up to that.

there were obviously a lot of well known spanish players and others based in spain during that period

Ah, well, that's different of course.

[TheWire93]

Who the hell voted no in this poll?

[atennisfan]

This is an interesting analyses:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ael-nadal.html

[moon language]

Originally Posted by atennisfan

This is an interesting analyses:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ael-nadal.html

There's a lot of ridiculous stuff in that one. That blog got a lot better in the last year or so.

[boldrock]

It is also rarely mentioned that Germany has it's own dope doctor, Dr. Andreas Franke, and Fakervic trained there. Not making any accusations, just pointing out certain facts which are often left out of the conversation for mysterious reasons.

Omg, call the cops, he trained THERE. Where is THERE? Well, you know, like, Germany, a country with about 135 thousand square miles and 80 million people, you know, THERE.

And where had Djokovic trained? He trained in Niki Pilic' academy in Munich, Bavaria. And the doctor? He worked at a training center run by the German Olympic Sports Confederation for top-level athletes in Erfurt, central Germany.

It is truly a mystery why the corporate media doesn't write about it more.

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Djokovic had a great leap overnight?

He was number 3 for a long time. Been to US Open final, where he missed 7 set points in the first two sets against Federer, best player ever, won the slam after that (eliminated Fed in 3 sets), failed to win against Nadal in Olympics by one bad overhead, had match point against same Nadal, on clay in Madrid in 2009 (best ever on clay) and so on. Was it a great leap? No.

Was it overnight?

He hired Gebhard-Phil Gritsch, the guy who had trained one of the fittest player ever, Tomas Muster (a doper of course,) in April 2009. - because he was not satisfied with his overall fitness. So, 20 months later he wins his second Grand slam and it's overnight?

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The problem with recent accusations of doping in tennis is that they are motivated by what has happened in cycling and carry a dose of cynicism and doubt that can defeat any argument by creating analogies with the cover up of LA's doping and/or by making up crazy conspiracy theories.

Even if we get blood passports and blood samples tested every week, you are still going to have a bunch of people spreading rumors for various reasons, claiming there's a cover up, making watching pro-tennis a sour experience for those that find their topics on this and other forums day after day after day, reading their posts filled with stupid doping nicknames.

You want to talk about doping? I don't think you need actual proof, but please construct a reasonable, believable theory.

[Just like heaven]

Originally Posted by TheWire93

Who the hell voted no in this poll?

Maybe Bartoli has a MTF account.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...0AX50020130128

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Originally Posted by boldrock

Omg, call the cops, he trained THERE. Where is THERE? Well, you know, like, Germany, a country with about 135 thousand square miles and 80 million people, you know, THERE.

And where had Djokovic trained? He trained in Niki Pilic' academy in Munich, Bavaria. And the doctor? He worked at a training center run by the German Olympic Sports Confederation for top-level athletes in Erfurt, central Germany.

It is truly a mystery why the corporate media doesn't write about it more.

Excellent post, facts >>>> crap

[Caesar1844]

Nadal (amongst many other players) thinks testing is good enough as well.

I think the players who support the current level of testing are mostly just sick of having to constantly report their whereabouts. I don't think a vastly more effective doping regime necessarily has to place too many additional burdens on the players.

[Chair Umpire]

LOL. It's funny how Fedtards are spreading conspiracy theories through the net only about any tennis player who has overshadowed their God lately. First was Nadal, then Djoko, and now even Murray isn't safe.

I wonder how many other players will be added to their list until Federina retires.

Dr. Fuentes was arrested by the spanish police in 2006, his laboratory and all his material was confiscated that year.

Nadal's success has continued far beyond 2006 (and spanish football didn't explode until 2008 and has lasted till today), I wonder how that fits in the theories that this losers are spreading through the net.

Regards.

[duong]

Originally Posted by Rrrainer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...-on-trial.html

Spain accused of a doping cover-up as doctor implicated in cycling's Operation Puerto scandal goes on trial

The Spanish government has been accused of suppressing evidence linking footballers and tennis stars to a notorious doctor who will go on trial in Madrid next week and has been described as a “one-man Wal-Mart” of doping...

I didn't know that the whole topic of the Fuentes trial was only the question of whether or not he made his transfusions in good health conditions :

Before the Operation Puerto case, Spain was something of a wild west frontier for doping, as it was not illegal in Spain at the time.

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However, because of the legal situation at the time, Fuentes is not being tried for doping offences. He is facing charges of breaking public health laws, with the authorities alleging that the transfusions were not carried out with the appropriate medical facilities.

Reports in Spain have said that Fuentes is not denying that the transfusions took place, but his defence will state they were done with top-of-the-range equipment.

It's really a pity that the WADA can't do anything against Spanish authorities hiding all those infos about doping.

Originally Posted by philosophicalarf

Certainly not. It's probably more institutionalised in Spain though, for the simple reason that until very recently, it wasn't illegal. Spain has been the home of doping in Europe as a result, for a fair while now.

Didn't start there though. A lot of modern doping in Europe came out of Italy in the late 80s - see Conconi (Indurain's doctor) and his assistant Ferrari (Armstrong's). It then spread from cycling into football, thus the rash of positives in the 90s, the super powered Juve team, and the likes of Milan keeping their oldies going until almost 40yrs old.

Current Spanish dope doctors like Fuentes, Marti and Del Moral can be traced back there. It's only really the last maybe 12-15 years you see the results in Spanish sport.

A lot of these things go in cycles though, the East Germans, the US in the 90s, etc etc. What's surprising is that in most cases, it seems to be a very small number of individual doctors/researchers involved within a single country. Fuentes had 200ish top athletes on his books, for example (40ish tennis players according to him).

Probably some more interesting tennis connections might be found looking at the past history of the doctors used by top players/academies.

I also read people, Fuentes himself I think or his wife, talking about the fact that doping was included as a part of the preparation of the Barcelona Olympics 1992 for the Spanish team, and it was at the source of the Spaniards developing a good knowledge in that field.