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Old 01-27-2013, 10:13 PM   #31
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The decision is of course about as moronic as it gets. I can't wait to see it in effect for sheer hilarity in some clay court matches. Instead it would be fascinating if someone in possession of active gray matter would see that the prime issue is the HORRENDOUS Trinity machine that calls lets because of the wind or just because there was some half-drunk tourist being mugged on some random street in Zimbabwe (aka for no fucking reason).
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:34 PM   #32
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The net is a static part of the game. I.o.w an obstacle. If the ball lands on the other side you should be good.
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The net is a static part of the game. I.o.w an obstacle. If the ball lands on the other side you should be good.
Is Philosophy your full-time job or is MTF just lucky enough to be the main terrain for your wisdom?
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:30 PM   #36
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Default Re: Heilbronn Challenger 2013 - 'no let-rule'

There was a thread about that rule with already a lot of talkings, it would be better to merge those threads,
because there will probably more and more reactions about that in next months.


Personally I'd rather think like Castle007 or Dencod ("bring back the net-person") but it seems that it's hard to make that rule a fully objective one.

Besides, yes, I think it's completely different from volley-ball : in volley-ball the ball goes less quickly and there are players just behind the net.

Overall, I think the "no-let rule" is more of an advantage for the receiver because points when the ball is slowed down are not played again. It can be the opposite, yes, but overall I think it's more of an advantage for the receiver.
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Overall, I think the "no-let rule" is more of an advantage for the receiver because points when the ball is slowed down are not played again. It can be the opposite, yes, but overall I think it's more of an advantage for the receiver.
I agree with you. There was an instance of this in the Gulbis-PHM match here, which was very close and basically came down to a let-serve point at the end of the third set tiebreak. It was maybe 2-2 or 3-3, and PHM's first serve hit the net and dropped in, allowing Gulbis to get a way easier return than he would have done. Crowd was confused when Gulbis scrambled up to the ball like a madman to slam the return in the corner (it's actually surprising that Gulbis himself remembered to play the let ).

Gulbis had been serving unreturnable bombs all match long and was now in good position to take the tiebreak and win thanks to this new no-let rule. But of course, this being Gulbis, he found a way to mug it up even then and squandered his two service points.
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Overall, I think the "no-let rule" is more of an advantage for the receiver because points when the ball is slowed down are not played again. It can be the opposite, yes, but overall I think it's more of an advantage for the receiver.
Not even close. Returning is all about rhythm. The net cord completely screws that up. Ask any receiver if they'd rather play or replay lets and they will tell you the latter.
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Not even close. Returning is all about rhythm. The net cord completely screws that up. Ask any receiver if they'd rather play or replay lets and they will tell you the latter.
Which is why underarm serves should be thrown in at opportunistic times.
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strongly dislike it... wasn't really worth the change and creates a whole set of scenarios that would be gamerish
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Perfectly OK to get rid of the let rule. Volleyballers live quite nice with no let whatsoever, and besides, it isn't fair that let DOES cancel a good serve (compels you to repeat it), but DOESN'T cancel a fault (it still counts).
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Hilarious. They want to get rid of lets and make slams best of 3 but they made tennis a grindfest and don't touch the time delay tactics of Nadull and Fakervic. The backwards priorities are absurd, somebody must have gotten a big payoff for this idea to go through.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:37 AM   #43
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Not even close. Returning is all about rhythm. The net cord completely screws that up. Ask any receiver if they'd rather play or replay lets and they will tell you the latter.
imo very often the rule will allow to count serves which are just a little bit slown down without being really deviated, then I think it's better for the receiver.

Ps : I really think this thread should be merged, there should be one thread about that rule because there will necessarily be threads about that from time to time without any connection with Heilbronn.
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No advantage for anyone, just the same, except less time wasting, less machine mistakes, ergo less rants and useless waste of nerves.

Good riddance.
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Default Re: Heilbronn Challenger 2013 - 'no let-rule'

I guess the whole point of this is that the let-machine is unreliable sometimes, and with no more let-rule, they get rid of that problem.

IMHO it would make more sense to count it as a fault when the ball hits the net, no matter if it falls in the service box or not. That way, they would still speed up the game, but it wouldn't screw up the receivers rhythm so much. But that, of course, would require a more reliable let-call-machine.
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