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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:50 PM   #1426
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How do you feel watching Federer playing just like these defensive players?
It's sad but you can't go against age. Fed's been very defensive since 2009 (he won Wimbledon with his serve) and only marginally improved under Annaconne with some glimpses of brilliance. Success equals defending nowadays and Djokovic does that well.
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If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:53 PM   #1427
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Even Murray served better than Karlovic & Roddick. LOLOLOL Federina looked like he just stumbled into tennis by accident. Fed the fraud maestro ballerina.
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It's sad but you can't go against age. Fed's been very defensive since 2009 (he won Wimbledon with his serve) and only marginally improved under Annaconne with some glimpses of brilliance. Success equals defending nowadays and Djokovic does that well.
What if I told you Federer has been moving towards becoming just another baseline player since 2003?
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What if I told you Federer has been moving towards becoming just another baseline player since 2003?
Fed has been an offensive baseliner during his prime and that's why he was successful. Surely you don't think I and other Fed fans think he's a serve-and-volleyer .
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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Fed has been an offensive baseliner during his prime and that's why he was successful. Surely you don't think I and other Fed fans think he's a serve-and-volleyer .
Is he really THAT offensive?
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if he moves like a tank the way he did v Tsonga and Muzza, then the signs for the future are not good at all

but the Fedgod has made more miraculous comebacks than the Terminator so i'm not writing him off yet
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I wouldnt look too much into what happened here. This is easily Feds worst slam. He still beats everyone easily except for the two marathon runners and the best bashers. Although i am a bit worried that he will start to lose more to Berd/Tsonga/Del Potro in the future. However, i still think he can win another slam if everything goes his way.
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Is he really THAT offensive?
As I said, he's becoming more and more defensive since 2007. He is biding his time in rallies because his movement is not good enough to get him into a position to hit a winner and the surfaces also do not allow him to do so (the explosiveness on his shots has also declined). What are you trying to prove anyway?
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If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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I hate to admit it but his age is starting to show. he can't recover as fast. also it was very rare in federer's history that he gets into 5 set matches so even that is starting to bother me. But i also have to say that maybe it's not Federer but it's Djokovic. i still can't count murray because he has not beaten a fresh federer in a slam. in the olympics, federer got burnt out by del potro and in the aussie he got burnt by tsonga. Only two other players can i fully admit that have been more superior than fed on several occasions and that those two are Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic
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Someone said (I think it was NYCtennisfan) that Roger had 7-8 good slam runs in him (that was at the start of 2012) and it seems to be the case. Physical decline is really going to settle after this year. Hopefully he doesn't call it quits because of that..
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If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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I wouldnt look too much into what happened here. This is easily Feds worst slam. He still beats everyone easily except for the two marathon runners and the best bashers. Although i am a bit worried that he will start to lose more to Berd/Tsonga/Del Potro in the future. However, i still think he can win another slam if everything goes his way.
Umm RG?
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Even if he's made a lot of SFs here, since the surface was changed he definitely never looked close to winning except 2010.
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Frankly I don't care about Federer's relative decline. He has won everything there is several times over, Federer is the one player where another title wouldn't add much to his career. Further, Federer is a freak of nature, being persistently injury-free while maintaining in his early 30s a spot in the world's top 3 and being competitive with much younger players of the calibre of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. Aesthetically his tennis remains unique anyway, there has not been a player who I have enjoyed watching so much since John McEnroe. I treasure every day Federer continues to be around.
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Believe it not, Federer is peaking. He is older and wiser now but the competition has caught up.
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If the court conditions were the same as in Dubai last year (ie. faster) Federer would still be world number one. Murray said so himself after Federer comfortably beat him in straight sets there last year. If you have a surface where the two best players in the world on that surface play, and there are 40 more UE than winners in a 4 set match, then it will be very difficult for anyone over the age of 30 to ever win that tournament, if not impossible.

If Murray and Djokovic can sit two yards behind the baseline trading backhands for twenty shots per rally and rarely miss then no-one will beat them. Rafa will have no chance with his knees. Del Potro and Berdych obviously need faster court conditions. Ferrer has no chance as we saw in the semi-final. Who else is going to conceivably beat them other than Federer? He's still clearly the number three player out there, and had he had Djokovic's draw, there's no doubt he would have been in the final. Perhaps if Djokovic had played a tough five setter with Murray and then faced Federer the outcome of the tournament could have been different.
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