View Poll Results: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Berdych
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60 |
40.27% |
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Tsonga
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87 |
58.39% |
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Del Potro
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42 |
28.19% |
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Nadal
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10 |
6.71% |
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Federer
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78 |
52.35% |
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Murray
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8 |
5.37% |
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Djokovic
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7 |
4.70% |
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Simon
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3.36% |
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Almagro
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8 |
5.37% |
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Tomic
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10 |
6.71% |
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01-26-2013, 12:46 AM
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#106
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
Tsonga, quite clearly.
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01-26-2013, 12:50 AM
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#107
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
It's Federer not Tsonga. Federer would have had several more slams was it not for the slowness. Tsonga one at most.
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01-26-2013, 12:50 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Originally Posted by Saberq
lol no and no
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Lol yes and yes.
Tsonga has everything needed to win Slams bar defense,ROS and movement.
In the 90's, he would have been a multiple slam winner with his great combination of serve,FH,net play and mental strenght. |
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01-26-2013, 12:54 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Originally Posted by Honestly
It's Federer not Tsonga. Federer would have had several more slams was it not for the slowness. Tsonga one at most.
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Prime Fed yes but Old Fed has become susceptible to being hit off the court by big hitting ballbashers (the type of player who he used to chew up and spit out) at grand slams- I think the likes of Tsonga would love a fast court against Old Fed.
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01-26-2013, 12:55 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Originally Posted by yuri27
Lol yes and yes.
Tsonga has everything needed to win Slams bar defense,ROS and movement.
In the 90's, he would have been a multiple slam winner with his great combination of serve,FH,net play and mental strenght.
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only that huh  |
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01-26-2013, 12:57 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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only that huh |
There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that. |
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01-26-2013, 12:58 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
Federer actually benefited from the slowing down of the courts.
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01-26-2013, 01:02 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Originally Posted by yuri27
There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that.
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I know mate it's called a weak era |
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01-26-2013, 01:06 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that.
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Mug eras. In the 90's, Karlovic would win wimbledon. |
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01-26-2013, 01:06 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Federer actually benefited from the slowing down of the courts.
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Negative SdG. |
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01-26-2013, 01:52 AM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
Karlovic.
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01-26-2013, 12:06 PM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
O2 arena TMC is the great sample who is the biggest victims.
Roger won them in 2010 and 2011.
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01-26-2013, 12:29 PM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
 at everyone saying Federer. You think it's that simple? Actually he benefits from it bcs he STILL has the weapons and skill to shorten the points, to execute them, hit winners. Or at least he had in most of his career. It allows him to have shorter matches than the others, get less tired for the rest of the tournament (and that is not something you want to put aside). He is just that good offensive player that even on 'slowed' courts (like USO, AO, W) he can/could beat anyone. Yet, other offensive players (including volley players) are NOT that good and have way more trouble on slowed courts. If the courts were faster someone like Querrey would blow away someone like Murray on a good day.
And tell me, what else do you think Fed would win? He would have like 25 Slams? 10 Wimbledons? Give me a break.
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01-26-2013, 12:33 PM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
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Originally Posted by uxyzapenje
at everyone saying Federer. You think it's that simple? Actually he benefits from it bcs he STILL has the weapons and skill to shorten the points, to execute them, hit winners. |
Federer benefitted from it early on, when there still were many fast-court specialists dominating the game (Hewitt, Roddick, Scud etc). However, at present, when he is facing a generation which grew on slow surfaces, Fed is clearly at disadvantage relative to other top4.
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01-26-2013, 01:35 PM
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Re: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness
Back to the second part of the analysis... First part was http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...&postcount=101
I went for 2000 AO final, Agassi vs Kafelnikov, which proved to be a tougher nutt. Firstly, for the poor quality of the video (from YouTube), and secondly, for mostly shorter points.
Anyway... On that particular surface the ratio of ball speed before and after the bounce was 2.256, so actually that was more slowing than with today's surface. Players styles wise, Kafelnikov's shots averaged at 2.181 times (variation from 1.779 to 3.073), while Agassi's averaged at 2.331 (variation from 1.698 to 3.562, so it was similar to Djokovic).
But while analyzing videos I noticed something interesting. As I said, they played shorter points, but not because of the greater speed, but because they would run for the ball a lot less then in today's game! |
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