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Old 01-24-2013, 06:12 PM   #226
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Djokovic played great, but Ferrer was bad, he played better against Djokovic in 2012 AO

He should have had much better return stats and not all those UEs. I think Djokovic lost less than 10 points on serve? Should never be that bad

I doubt Ferrer is the type of person to be sad after this crushing defeat. It will give him even more motivation to keep improving his game.
Yes, after the match, he said he was going to rest and think about how to improve his game further. He congratulated Nole and got a nice answer in return

I couldn't see the match unfortunately. But I'm not sure I want to see the re-runs Maybe I'll watch for a bit, to see for myself whether Ferru was bad or Nole really good, or both.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:05 PM   #227
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I dont think its worth watching. As a ferru fan u might just feel worse.

Mae, it was on ESPN. (not espn2) U should be able to watch it! Ferrer better start believing more in himself. He cant say things like "I don't belong in the top 4" He doesn't if he has that attitude!
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I dont think its worth watching. As a ferru fan u might just feel worse.

Mae, it was on ESPN. (not espn2) U should be able to watch it! Ferrer better start believing more in himself. He cant say things like "I don't belong in the top 4" He doesn't if he has that attitude!
I'm not sure how he should act with regard to self-belief.

I mean, honestly, he is right! Why is he in the top 4? Because Nadal is injured. He doesn't say he doesn't belong in the Top 5. He's just being realistic. And for most players, I would say, alright, you need to believe in yourself and so on. But Ferrer is special. His realism and his humble behaviour seem to have worked very well for him, I believe his attitude is the main reason why he has "made the most out of what he has", as they often say.

Now, the big question mark for me is: why does Ferrer seem to lack self-belief in matches against the Big 3? Does he play badly because he doesn't believe, or does he simply play worse than usual because he faces players who have close to no weaknesses, and who are just giving him an extraordinarily hard time and preventing him from playing his usual tennis?
I think it's a difficult question to solve. It's difficult to know if a player plays badly because of his own mental problems, or if it's because of the superior level of his adversary.
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You are right Sophitia, but at the same time I don't want him to go down on himself. I dont want him to think "this is all I got and cant push anymore". I guess next up for him is the latin swing. There he has quite a few points to retain...and with Rafa there too it can be worrisome!
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Ferrer interview (copied from Nole Fan's post):


"I couldn't do anything. I must accept this was a trashing".

"I've never lost in a slam with such a bad scoreline. Well, maybe against Rafa at RG but this has been worse. The worst loss in my career".

"It's hard for me to accept that he is so superior to me when we're only separated by three ranks".

"It's very difficult to get to a slam final, though it isn't always up to me. I always lost against the best. They're better than me, what can I say?"
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Yesterday was a complete disaster. I only have one player left to root for now, Roger Federer, and he is nowhere near as sharp as he once was. I feel as though I increasingly back nothing but losers anymore. Djoko has changed everything, and not for the better.
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I had mixed feelings about Ferru becoming number 4 at Rafa's expense. David Ferrer has had a great last couple of years, and his hard work should be rewarded, but it is sad to think that Rafa could slip even lower than number five. I just hope he will be back healthy again. I feel I wasted two weeks of my life watching this stupid tournament.
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The Tennis Channel is repeating this match ad nauseum. I just hope Roger wins his semi so I have something to watch on Sunday, or I will have just wasted two weeks of my life, weeks that would have been more profitably spent doing something more important. I lost a lot of sleep for nothing. I can do without the women's final completely, and I will pass on the men's if Federer doesn't make the final. Even if it is Federer, I may still put this one down as a miss. He choked away his last two finals on championship point to Djoko. I can't stand to see Djokovic gloating, thumping his chest and ripping off his shirt one more time.
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Every time Ferrer steps on a tennis court is a highlight in all of our lives.
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:11 AM   #235
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"I couldn't do anything. I must accept this was a trashing".

"I've never lost in a slam with such a bad scoreline. Well, maybe against Rafa at RG but this has been worse. The worst loss in my career".

"It's hard for me to accept that he is so superior to me when we're only separated by three ranks".

"It's very difficult to get to a slam final, though it isn't always up to me. I always lost against the best. They're better than me, what can I say?"
This is very sad, but at the same time, it's true.

Really, I don't know what to think. I'd like to shame him up and say, "bloody hell, you CAN beat these players, just stop being so hard on yourself!!!" But is that true? I know he can beat them, and he HAS (people, including Ferrer himself, seem to forget that... Judging from the articles written on this semi, you would think he has zero victory against any of the Big 4!) But the question is, can he beat the kind of Djokovic we saw yesterday?

As I said, Ferrer's attitude is unusual for a high level sportsman. Usually, great champions always have some sort of arrogance about them, they can be sore losers (Rafa is...), they can get really frustrated when they lose and they are not always classy. But I truly believe that Ferrer has come this far because he's not like that. He has developed his own philosophy, the one that works for him, and it is based on being extremely realistic about his chances, even when it looks like a lack of belief.
Now maybe this was a good thing so far, and it has to change if he wants to go even higher. That's also a possibility.

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You are right Sophitia, but at the same time I don't want him to go down on himself. I dont want him to think "this is all I got and cant push anymore". I guess next up for him is the latin swing. There he has quite a few points to retain...and with Rafa there too it can be worrisome!
Well, he did say in his tweet that he was going to work on improving his game. So he's trying to accept this defeat and see what can be done. His post-defeats interviews are often heartbreaking because he has the ability to analyze the situation in such a realistic way, even when it's a really harsh lesson for him. But I believe he still has resources and he will try to turn this into something good.


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I had mixed feelings about Ferru becoming number 4 at Rafa's expense. David Ferrer has had a great last couple of years, and his hard work should be rewarded, but it is sad to think that Rafa could slip even lower than number five. I just hope he will be back healthy again. I feel I wasted two weeks of my life watching this stupid tournament.
I have mixed feelings too, because I think that one of Ferrer's real problems is his "illegitimacy complex". At the same time, he will tell you repeatedly that if he's number 5, it's because he's better than the rest but not as good as the Top 4. But you can still see that deep inside, he's still the same guy who said "I'm the worst Top 100 player in history" and repeated the same thing every time he overcame another obstacle to enter the Top 50, Top 20, Top 10, Top 5...
So I'm afraid that being N°4, and knowing that he's there just because Nadal is injured, might actually worsen this complex.

It doesn't help that there are so many morons who keep repeating that he doesn't belong there, has "no natural talent", has already reached his limits and that kind of bullshit.

Don't feel that you have wasted your time Edda... David made the semis, that's still his best performance to date, and what he did against Nico in quarters was absolutely phenomenal. True, it's always dispiriting to end on such an anticlimax, but I don't feel so bad because my approach to the Ferrer-Djokovic match was that it would only be a bonus and a great surprise if Ferru had won, but I was expecting him to lose (not that badly, but in the end, it makes no difference).
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In my opinion David is at his peak right now, this is it.

He has absolutely maxed out his potential, in any other era he would've won at least one slam, but now he is up against the best top 4 in the history of tennis.
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In my opinion David is at his peak right now, this is it.

He has absolutely maxed out his potential, in any other era he would've won at least one slam, but now he is up against the best top 4 in the history of tennis.
You may be right, but I think he can still improve.

I don't know how much you can change these things so late in a career, but he could work on his BH in particular. He could also work on his attacking game more, I think he makes too little use of his abilities in that field.
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You may be right, but I think he can still improve.

I don't know how much you can change these things so late in a career, but he could work on his BH in particular. He could also work on his attacking game more, I think he makes too little use of his abilities in that field.
There's always room for improvement and maybe you're right and he will improve those things in the couple of years he has remaining on this level! I personally believe his attacking game is near perfect, he has the ability to completely dominate and obliterate the opponents ranked below him, which he even has shown against guys like Del Potro, Berdych and Tsonga. However, it's simply impossible for him to make that work against the top 4, because they won't allow him to. With all his weapons countered by superior opponents, there's not a lot he can do to change that match-up. He can't properly play an all or nothing play style where he just tries to jam every shot in the corner with his eyes closed, because he doesn't possesses that skill set nor will he be able to keep that up for an entire match.
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Sophitia,

You're right. I just always seem to have major sleep deprivation during the AO, which is not good for me, I know. David did a great job. Congratulations, Ferru!
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