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Old 01-16-2013, 07:01 AM   #151
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Tennis requires skills plus you have to be fit/fast etc.
It is true that tennis requires skill, but without stamina, even if you are the most talented tennis player ever, you'd be nothing.

Example: Where would Nadal be if he did not have the fitness and stamina to chase every single ball?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:06 AM   #152
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Yes. But I think (and it is the obvious thing to imagine, otherwise will be very stupid) that the player can't say "no" to a doping control if he meets the ATP workers; if the ATP workers don't find him (in the place and at the time that the player says) three times, then the player is punished.
A player can simply say that he can't pee, that he didn't have anything to drink and therefore can't pee. Sometimes it's as simple as that.
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Nobody has any basis whatsoever to accuse Federer of doping. It is truly preposterous.
No one is accusing Federer specifically. But it seems very likely that doping is common in tennis and so no one is excluded.

You seem to suggest that tennis players don't have enough to gain by taking PED, whilst the risk is too great. The risk of getting caught it pretty much nil. And any tennis player could benefit, after a long 5 setter, from some blood transfusions, in order to recover quickly and be ready for the next match. They're not doing any blood tests, so there's really no risk in trying blood doping but plenty to gain.
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We have no evidence players are doping.
We do have evidence that the doping controls are a big joke, we do have evidence that it's very easy to dope. We do have evidence that the ITF is keeping information away from us that might seem damaging - like the list of the out of competition tests that was online at one point but later removed. I saw it, others here saw it too. Most top players had missed tests. The evidence is out there, but it's been taken offline so we can't post a link to show it to you.

So the likelihood that doping is happening is quite high.
This.

tribalfusion seems to be confused.

Doping control in tennis is even LIGHT YEARS BEHIND doping control in cycling even 10 years ago.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:24 AM   #155
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5. Tennis has become extremely demanding physically, so its obvious that a lot can be gained.

Number 5 is true and you know that Roger led the way with that right? So if all we need is hearsay, how would you feel if I told you I know some former pros and trainers who think that Roger is doping because no one can do X Y and Z like he does and they figure he must be doping.


Somehow I think your enthusiasm for guilty until proven innocent would subside very quickly.
Somehow I thought you were serious with your posts until I read this post. Turned out you've been trolling all along.
Have you actually seen the way RF playing?
Have you actually seen the way Nadal playing?
Have you actually seen the way Djoker playing?
Have you actually seen the way Ferrer playing?

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If you weren't so blind you would see that he is in the same boat with all successful tennis players today.
And if you weren't so blind, you would have known that RF would have been a lot more successful had the courts not slowed down.
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:34 AM   #156
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It is true that tennis requires skill, but without stamina, even if you are the most talented tennis player ever, you'd be nothing.

Example: Where would Nadal be if he did not have the fitness and stamina to chase every single ball?
Not only the match stamina and endurance.

Two equal guys technically - one of them can train 12 hours per day on high intensity B2B2B2B, the other one can do 6 hours and needs more rest.

Obviously one of them will have immense advantage in the match later on.
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Somehow I thought you were serious with your posts until I read this post. Turned out you've been trolling all along.
Have you actually seen the way RF playing?
Have you actually seen the way Nadal playing?
Have you actually seen the way Djoker playing?
Have you actually seen the way Ferrer playing?



And if you weren't so blind, you would have known that RF would have been a lot more successful had the courts not slowed down.
tribalfusion is a fedhater and a rather angry one. Don't wast time with the chap.

It's obvious that the possibility of nadal doping and Roger not doping is perfectly plausible.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:41 AM   #158
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Not only the match stamina and endurance.

Two equal guys technically - one of them can train 12 hours per day on high intensity B2B2B2B, the other one can do 6 hours and needs more rest.

Obviously one of them will have immense advantage in the match later on.
You are right.

I forgot about that possibility.
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tribalfusion is a fedhater and a rather angry one. Don't wast time with the chap.

It's obvious that the possibility of nadal doping and Roger not doping is perfectly plausible.
It's as implausible as it gets. If one of the top guys is using it, they are all using it. No way in hell would anyone be able to stay competitive without it.
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It's as implausible as it gets. If one of the top guys is using it, they are all using it. No way in hell would anyone be able to stay competitive without it.
disagreed.

whatever the dope i get i couldn't outrun a clean Bolt.
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No one is accusing Federer specifically. But it seems very likely that doping is common in tennis and so no one is excluded.

You seem to suggest that tennis players don't have enough to gain by taking PED, whilst the risk is too great. The risk of getting caught it pretty much nil. And any tennis player could benefit, after a long 5 setter, from some blood transfusions, in order to recover quickly and be ready for the next match. They're not doing any blood tests, so there's really no risk in trying blood doping but plenty to gain.
Do you really think there are no other ways to draw attention to yourself other than routine testing?
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Christophe Rochus : "Yes, doping in tennis is a reality !"



Is doping a reality in tennis ?
Regarding Nadal, those rumors are rumors even if everyone wonders the same question : how can you be so strong in Roland Garros and one month later, you are apparently unable to play ? That’s why it looks so suspicious, but we have no proof. Maybe he is really injured.
FUCK YES
YES
YES

finally someone says what everyone (apart from rabid tards) think
i just wish federer would have the courage to speak his mind on the issue
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So?

A nobody has little to lose and is more likely to be frank.

Silent bans, I doubt it woman.

My first suspect for juicing would be Bjorn Borg. Resting heart rate of 34 BPMs. This guy had to be on something.
100% AGREEMENT

navratilova and borg

always considered them huge cheaters

martina was a nobody who suddenly became a muscled beast

borg was a natural but he had a shit eater grin that says to me he knew what he was doing (cheating)

lendl... probably

agassi- (post 97 probably.. i think andre would have done it after his 95 us open loss to pete only to get to petes level)

only guys i always thought were clean
federer
edberg
henin
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only guys i always thought were clean
federer
edberg
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but shes a woman
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but shes a woman
yeah, i meant guys and girls

but when you compare her to serena

(just like federer to nadal)

you can only think to yourself- they must put lots of protein in their milkshakes
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