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Old 12-25-2012, 10:37 AM   #91
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1.Djokovic
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5.Del Potro
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Djokovic
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Federer
del Potro
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Tsonga
Raonic
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Federer (2 slams, 1 masters)
Nadal (1 slam, 2 masters)
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Del Potro (2 ATP 500 , 4 ATP 250)

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1. Djokovic
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3. Nadal
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1. Djokovic
2. Murray
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4. Nadal
5. Del Potro
6. Ferrer
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The Tennis players picked by 59 of the 60 entrants are sorted by their ATP rankings (season end 2012) 
to better illustrate the expected changes. 
(I excluded the picks of one entrant, who was obviously joking, from these stats.) 
The first number after the players' names shows how often they were picked. 
The second number results from the predicted rankings, if 8 points for 1st ranks, ..., 1 for 8th. 

  1. Djokovic   59   454 
  2. Federer    59   325 
  3. Murray     59   383 
  4. Nadal      59   342 
  5. Ferrer     50   141 
  6. Berdych    52   124 
  7. DelPotro   57   237 
  8. Tsonga     41    70 
  9. Tipsarevic  1     1  by coolfish1103 
 10. Gasquet     2     2  by Pratik and Slasher1985 
(11. Almagro     0) 
(12. Monaco      0) 
 13. Raonic     19    34! 
 14. Isner       1     1  by latso 
 15. Cilic       3     4  by AncicCilic and Legendary Lopata and GrimbleGromble 
 19. Nishikori   5     6 
 24. Verdasco    1     2  by Dr. Albans 
 26. Janowicz    3     5  by nellis_lv and BauerAlmeida and Brick Top 
 48. Dimitrov    1     1  by iniesta896
Code:
So the Top 8 of 2013 as expected by the majority of the entrants are: 

  1. Djokovic       0 
  2. Murray        +1 
  3. Nadal         +1 
  4. Federer       -2 
  5. DelPotro      +2 
  6. Ferrer        -1 
  7. Berdych       -1 
  8. Tsonga         0 

And in fact two entrants chose precisely the above version: duong and myself.



Entrants

Code:
Almost half of the entrants think we'll get exactly the same Top 8 as last year. 
If that really happens it would be the first time in history, I guess. 

    duong              1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Featherer          1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Kowchi             1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    outrider           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
    Chase Visa         1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga
    Roy Emerson        1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga
    ProdigyEng         1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Tsonga 7.Berdych 8.Ferrer
    Nole fan           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    duarte_a           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Eddy DoubleD       1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.DelPotro 5.Nadal 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
  * Cheyen             1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Ferrer 5.DelPotro 6.Nadal 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
    Del GOATro         1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.DelPotro 4.Federer 5.Nadal 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Alex999            1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Abel               1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    nole_no1           1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
    nazzac             1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga
    JurajCrane         1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Tsonga 7.Ferrer 8.Berdych
    TigerTim           1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.Tsonga 6.Ferrer 7.DelPotro 8.Berdych
    bizzle             1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.DelPotro 5.Federer 6.Ferrer 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
    GSMnadal           1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Federer 4.Murray 5.Ferrer 6.Berdych 7.DelPotro 8.Tsonga
    End da Game        1.Djokovic 2.DelPotro 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Murray 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga
  * RafaelNadalisGod   1.Nadal 2.Djokovic 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Tsonga 7.Berdych 8.Ferrer
    Marto              1.Nadal 2.Djokovic 3.Murray 4.Ferrer 5.Federer 6.DelPotro 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
    ciprianned         1.Nadal 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Murray 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Tsonga 8.Berdych
  * se7en              1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga
    Matthew2408        1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Ferrer 4.Nadal 5.Federer 6.DelPotro 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Bashkatik          1.Federer 2.Djokovic 3.Nadal 4.Murray 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Federer&Hingis     1.Federer 2.Murray 3.Djokovic 4.DelPotro 5.Berdych 6.Nadal 7.Ferrer 8.Tsonga

Tsonga won't make the Top8: 
    djokovicgonzalez   1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Berdych 6.DelPotro 7.Ferrer 8.Raonic
    Han Solo           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Raonic
  * Noserer            1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.DelPotro 5.Federer 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Raonic
    MOhero             1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Ferrer 6.DelPotro 7.Berdych 8.Raonic
    156mphserve        1.Djokovic 2.Federer 3.Murray 4.DelPotro 5.Nadal 6.Ferrer 7.Raonic 8.Berdych
    nellis_lv          1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.DelPotro 4.Berdych 5.Federer 6.Nadal 7.Ferrer 8.Janowicz
    BauerAlmeida       1.Djokovic 2.DelPotro 3.Nadal 4.Murray 5.Federer 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Janowicz
    Brick Top          1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Janowicz 7.Ferrer 8.Berdych
    lucyfur            1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.DelPotro 4.Federer 5.Nadal 6.Berdych 7.Ferrer 8.Nishikori
    Slasher1985        1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Gasquet
    Pratik             1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.DelPotro 5.Nadal 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Gasquet
    AncicCilic         1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Berdych 6.DelPotro 7.Ferrer 8.Cilic
    coolfish1103       1.Djokovic 2.Federer 3.Murray 4.DelPotro 5.Berdych 6.Nadal 7.Ferrer 8.Tipsarevic
    iniesta896         1.Federer 2.Djokovic 3.Murray 4.Nadal 5.Berdych 6.Ferrer 7.DelPotro 8.Dimitrov 
    Dr. Albans         1.Nadal 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Murray 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Verdasco 8.Berdych

Ferrer won't make the Top8: 
    Certinfy           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Tsonga 8.Raonic
    johnny tsunami     1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Tsonga 8.Raonic
    sdmartin           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.DelPotro 4.Federer 5.Nadal 6.Raonic 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    DDRickyDD          1.Djokovic 2.Federer 3.Nadal 4.DelPotro 5.Raonic 6.Murray 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    Mark Lenders       1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Murray 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Nishikori 7.Berdych 8.Tsonga
    latso              1.Djokovic 2.Nadal 3.Federer 4.Murray 5.DelPotro 6.Berdych 7.Tsonga 8.Isner

Berdych won't make the Top8: 
    Droog              1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Tsonga 7.Ferrer 8.Raonic
    FleetSeb           1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.Federer 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Tsonga 8.Raonic
    samo7266           1.Djokovic 2.Federer 3.Murray 4.DelPotro 5.Nadal 6.Tsonga 7.Ferrer 8.Raonic
    Chirag             1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Tsonga 8.Raonic
    ZackBusner         1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.DelPotro 4.Nadal 5.Federer 6.Raonic 7.Tsonga 8.Ferrer

Two out of DelPotro / Berdych / Tsonga / Ferrer won't make the Top8: 
    come2papa          1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.DelPotro 6.Ferrer 7.Raonic 8.Nishikori
    Federer-Fan        1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Federer 4.Nadal 5.Tsonga 6.DelPotro 7.Nishikori 8.Raonic
    Mountaindewslave   1.Nadal 2.Federer 3.Djokovic 4.Raonic 5.Murray 6.Ferrer 7.Berdych 8.Nishikori
    Legendary Lopata   1.Djokovic 2.Murray 3.Nadal 4.DelPotro 5.Berdych 6.Federer 7.Cilic 8.Raonic
    GrimbleGromble     1.Murray 2.Djokovic 3.Berdych 4.Nadal 5.Federer 6.Raonic 7.Tsonga 8.Cilic

TBkeeper will make it: 
    TBkeeper           1.Federer 2.Nadal 3.Davydenko 4.Hewitt 5.Robredo 6.Nalbandian 7.Blake 8.DelPotro


* Side note: It might be that some (currently banned) entrants are double accounts. 
If that proves to be true I will remove them from the list of entrants as well as from the stats later on.


Just as last year there was just one entrant who marched to a different tune, and just as last year it was precisily the last entrant (before the deadline), who did so.
I don't really know what to make of this "tradition".

...Checking back our predictions will start to become interesting after the US Open.
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1. Djokovic
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3. Nadal
4. Federer
5. Del Potro
6. Ferrer
7. Berdych
8. Raonic
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Federer (2 slams, 1 masters)
Nadal (1 slam, 2 masters)
Davydenko (1 slam , 1 master)
Hewitt (2 masters)
Robredo (1 master)
Nalbandian (1 master)
Blake (1 master)
Del Potro (2 ATP 500 , 4 ATP 250)

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1) Djokovic
2) Federer
3) Murray
4) Del Potro
5) Nadal
6) Tsonga
7) Ferrer
8) Berdych
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[right].

You forgot me in the 'Tsonga won't make the top8' column... And in who picked Tipsarevic...
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^^uxyzapenje
You sended your picks when Tipsarevic had already beaten Murray and Ferrer had beaten or was near beating Berdych in AbuDhabi. So Tipsarevic made the Top8 in your predictions and Ferrer landed even above Federer. Nice try, man!

The deadline:
Even if an Exho the AbuDhabi tournament is best for deadline since information is more important than a few ranking points.
AbuDhabi already holds a lot of information about the shape of several top players, probably more than Doha/Brisbane/Chennai and Sydney/Auckland combined.
The awarded ranking points for the latter are comparatively unimportant.
For example, at the 2011 AbuDhabi edition it became clear that Djokovic fully recovered from his back injury, which was pretty uncertain beforehand!
At last year's edition Nadal withdrew from the Australian Open during AbuDhabi.
Moreover, this thread is intended to be a relaxed Off-season activity.
I mean, it's almost the same if you settle your picks on 6th or 26th December. Not much happens during that three weeks.
Whereas predictions during the AbuDhabi tournament already imply an advantage in information.
It would be bad if most entrants waited with their predictions until the end of December.
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1. Murray
2. Nole
3. Nadal
4. Del Potro
5. Berdych
6. Federer (due to a severely reduced schedule).
7. Tsonga
8. Ferrer

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^^uxyzapenje
You sended your picks when Tipsarevic had already beaten Murray and Ferrer had beaten or was near beating Berdych in AbuDhabi. So Tipsarevic made the Top8 in your predictions and Ferrer landed even above Federer. Nice try, man!

The deadline:
Even if an Exho the AbuDhabi tournament is best for deadline since information is more important than a few ranking points.
AbuDhabi already holds a lot of information about the shape of several top players, probably more than Doha/Brisbane/Chennai and Sydney/Auckland combined.
The awarded ranking points for the latter are comparatively unimportant.
For example, at the 2011 AbuDhabi edition it became clear that Djokovic fully recovered from his back injury, which was pretty uncertain beforehand!
At last year's edition Nadal withdrew from the Australian Open during AbuDhabi.
Moreover, this thread is intended to be a relaxed Off-season activity.
I mean, it's almost the same if you settle your picks on 6th or 26th December. Not much happens during that three weeks.
Whereas predictions during the AbuDhabi tournament already imply an advantage in information.
It would be bad if most entrants waited with their predictions until the end of December.
WTF? Man, I was banned until 26th of December. You can see my posting history if you think I'm lying. I came here on 27th after 1 month, couldn't have picked it earlier. And if you saw any of my posts, you know that I would pick Tipsarevic even if he was beaten 6-0 6-0 by Murray. And also, if Tipsarevic beat Murray, why did I put Murray 2nd? It's an exho, it didn't affect my picks whatsoever...
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The Tennis players picked by 59 of the 60 entrants are sorted by their ATP rankings (season end 2012) 
to better illustrate the expected changes. 
(I excluded the picks of one entrant, who was obviously joking, from these stats.) 
The first number after the players' names shows how often they were picked. 
The second number results from the predicted rankings, if 8 points for 1st ranks, ..., 1 for 8th. 

  1. Djokovic   59   454 
  2. Federer    59   325 
  3. Murray     59   383 
  4. Nadal      59   342 
  5. Ferrer     50   141 
  6. Berdych    52   124 
  7. DelPotro   57   237 
  8. Tsonga     41    70 
  9. Tipsarevic  1     1  by coolfish1103 
 10. Gasquet     2     1  by Pratik and Slasher1985 
(11. Almagro     0) 
(12. Monaco      0) 
 13. Raonic     19    34! 
 14. Isner       1     1  by latso 
 15. Cilic       3     4  by AncicCilic and Legendary Lopata and GrimbleGromble 
 19. Nishikori   5     6 
 24. Verdasco    1     2  by Dr. Albans 
 26. Janowicz    3     5  by nellis_lv and BauerAlmeida and Brick Top 
 48. Dimitrov    1     1  by iniesta896
If Gasquet has been picked twice, how can he have only one point?
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If Gasquet has been picked twice, how can he have only one point?
Hi Pratik,
well, that's weird.
Maybe I subconsciously aimed at provoking you mathematicians (you and Slasher),
or maybe because your Gasquet defeated my Davydenko in Doha and I was subconsciously pissed,
but I didn't do it consciously/intentionally, I swear.

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I was banned until 26th of December. You can see my posting history if you think I'm lying. I came here on 27th after 1 month, couldn't have picked it earlier.
According to your posting history you did post on 26th december. So, yes, you are indeed lying (lol). (AbuDhabi started on 27th december.)

However, ban or not and lying or not are not the points anyway.
Although I'm the thread starter I really don't think I'm empowered of breaking the rules (or changing them during the contest), i.e. allowing late entries, thus virtually handicapping 60 people (as explained in the other post).
(Btw, there was also one other poster a little late, after you.)
Since many people participate in the contest I should treat things with some practical seriousness now, even if the whole thing is rather for fun actually.

What's the big deal with not being included in the contest part?
This thread is not only for the contest. You can also settle your predictions here just like that (in order to compare it later with what happened really, what you expected and what surprised you).

Yes, we know you're a Tipsarevic fan and probably you would have picked him anyway.
(What I accused you of earlier as well as what I said about Djokovic at AbuDhabi 2011 and so on was rather theoretically / a general issue.)
Moreover you've been just a little late, not much.
Hence you certainly won't go unnoticed if your predictions/picks turn out to be correct at the end of the season.
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