[philosophicalarf]

Originally Posted by bjurra

It is quite comical how bad they are at spotting them.

What I dont understand is why it would pay for these companies to chase courtsiders.

I think it's politics rather than any coherent thinking. They want to appear anti-gambling, since there was a pretty serious problem with fixing about 5-10 years ago, culminating in the high profile Davydenko case and all the details coming out there (not saying it's gone, but things are a lot better now).

And isn't the whole business model flawed? Let's say Bet365 pays lots of money for the scores. How hard is it for other bookmakers to copy Bet365s scores or to build some kind of feed?

They could .... but prolly not difficult for bet365 to implement a random change in the formatting of their site that messes with it.

Just a case of pricing really, same as any piracy argument - if it's cheap enough other books will just buy from the official sanctioned body rather than have all the hassles of subterfuge.

[Kat_YYZ]

Originally Posted by philosophicalarf

I think it's politics rather than any coherent thinking. They want to appear anti-gambling, since there was a pretty serious problem with fixing about 5-10 years ago, culminating in the high profile Davydenko case and all the details coming out there (not saying it's gone, but things are a lot better now)....

They don't! they allow a gambling company to sponsor a tournament!
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/T...s/Hamburg.aspx

It's ridiculous. If the gambling companies/bookies want to allow betting on matches that have already started, I don't see any reason for the ATP to help them.

[bjurra]

Originally Posted by motorhead

pretty sure pinnacle and bet365 have their guy at the venue.

that's what asian bookies do to cover live betting of very small football matches.

No no, B365 buy their scores.

And Pinnacle surely dont send anyone anywhere, they only offer matches with TV coverage anyway and betting is usually only open between games.

[bjurra]

Originally Posted by philosophicalarf

I think it's politics rather than any coherent thinking. They want to appear anti-gambling, since there was a pretty serious problem with fixing about 5-10 years ago, culminating in the high profile Davydenko case and all the details coming out there (not saying it's gone, but things are a lot better now).

But they changed their attitude after selling the livescore rights. Now they have security firms and undercover guys chasing court siders, surely money straight down the drain.

As for their antigambling appearance, it doesnt work so well when tournaments are named after betting companies and the livescores are handled by a company closely tied to the betting industry.

[philosophicalarf]

Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ

They don't! they allow a gambling company to sponsor a tournament!
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/T...s/Hamburg.aspx

Well, that's an individual tournament rather than the governing body. It's also a regulation that doesn't have much cost implications, while banning a major sponsor makes things a lot harder for some events.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by bjurra

No no, B365 buy their scores.

from the dutch company? sometimes their scores differed from atp scores so I don't know. plus they must pay a fortune, isn't it more convenient to pay a guy at the venue?

you are right about pinna I haven't been using it for live betting in a while.

[RonaldGomez]

Well, maybe TIU guys wanted a bit of action. Otherwise, I don't see the point of ITF

Restricting information about tournaments who don't have many media coverage is just

[Henry Chinaski]

Originally Posted by latso

Just spamming around and trying to find more followers for the blog, with articles addressing imaginary issues in a populist way, like "why ATP doesn't feed a warm dinner the poor tennis babies :shedsatear:"

And Michael Jackson will soon assist by deleting any thread were a different that the general opinion is stated.

Fun

you become a bigger and more obnoxious clown with every passing day. well done.

completely ridiculous rule

[arm]

Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ

They don't! they allow a gambling company to sponsor a tournament!
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/T...s/Hamburg.aspx

It's ridiculous. If the gambling companies/bookies want to allow betting on matches that have already started, I don't see any reason for the ATP to help them.

Yeah, bet at home Open was very likely one of the most absurd and hilarious things I have seen in tennis. Quite outrageous.

Forgive me for being blunt, but for me, the more money these guys get to steal from be companies, the better.

[Nathaliia]

from twitter

Raul de Kemmeter ‏@raulfiber "Any and all revenue generated from exploitation of Live Scoring Rights (...) shall be divided 20% to ITF and 80% to National Associations"



seems the idea of giving 80% to federations is fair enough, but are all federations trustable? i hope the supply spending is strictly supervised by ITF, so that it doesn't go to players demanding higher fees to participate in davis cup/fed cup as they hear of extra resources their federation got.

on another note, if no other match scoring is allowed, wouldn't it make it easier to do cheating of match in progress results by a livescorer?

one source is umpire's protocol and the other is good will of livescoring company (might switch points, depending on liability, which player is more backed) at least that's what i think, this could be some field for manipulation.

[motorhead]

I can foresee Dolgopolov joining the DC team soon

[Henry Chinaski]

I wonder how they will calculate how to divide that money up.

4 years of itf events is a hell of a lot of tournaments. thousands.

How much will the Rwandan tennis federation get for the one event there a year? Enough for a can of tennis balls?

[philosophicalarf]

Be fun if they divide it pro rata based on betting action, then wonder why Russian/Croatian feds get 90% of the pot :-)

[FiBeR]

It's all about betting sites taking over.
Another new rule is that ITF takes 20% and the national federations the 80% of the income from livescoring and livestreaming.

This clearly favours the betting sites, making it attractive to invest in "livescoring system" for their clients and forbidding any competition.

f*ck press and fans, right?

[FiBeR]

Originally Posted by Nathaliia

i dont think this rule was so strict at atp and challengers. i was a tournament employee myself and we had live coverage on facebook...

the chased people were the ones who used laptops in the stands (and even then, not tournament press office crew or other accreditation possessing journalists).

last year when I was working at an ATP event, a colleage of mine got into trouble for tweeting from a 250 event and commentating over social networks (he is a journalist and almost got his press pass revoked). he was on a non-televised court and the ATP agents almost kicked him out of the tournament because they claimed he could be helping people make fraud to betting sites... it has come to this. Betting making the rules and dictating the rules.

Another thing that doesnt make sense: if you are journalist at a Grand Slam event, you cannot take photos with your mobile or camera... but you can if you pay for a ticket. It is ridiculous. If you do, they take away your pass and revoke it for life.

Now, in topic: If you want to livescore or tweet about statistic stuff from an ITF event you have to pay for the right. Who do you think are the ones interested of paying to livescore? I can only think of betting sites cos no one in their right mind will invest money for an ITF coverage... simply because only hardcore fans care about low ranked players (and when I mean low ranked, I mean from 300th to 2.000th..)