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Roger Federer [SUI] 46 77.97%
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:12 AM   #1
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Default 7 Wimbledon Titles. Who is Real King of Grass?: William Renshaw vs Roger Federer?

Both has 7 Wimbledon titles but Renshaw has 6 consecutive titles from 1881-1886 and a further 6 Wimbledon titles in doubles. Both were runner-up once. Fed in 2008 and Renshaw in 1890.

Federer is obviously the more versatile player on other surfaces as Renshaw never won the US Open (The only other Grand Slam) but this thread is purely about grass.

Renshaw was Serve & Volley (Renshaw rush) and both were known for their powerful forehands

They also had similar rivals. Renshaw's opponents were Herbert Lawford 3x times, John Hartey 1x and Ernest Renshaw 3x. Roger's opponents were Roddick 3x, Nadal 2x, Murray 1x and Philippoussis 1x.

Renshaw's brother his rival had won Wimbledon once unlike Roddick (Though both I guess were good grass court rivals) while Nadal won Wimbledon once. (Though Nadal is not a grass-court specialist like Ernest Renshaw)

Honestly I think unless Fed takes another Wimbledon to break the tie, the title slightly goes to Renshaw

However I suppose we do have to consider that Renshaw had automatic entry to following year's Wimbledon final since back then Champions only had to wait for someone to earn the privilege of playing him in the final by beating everyone else while Renshaw sat back playing no matches. This could be a disadvantage for Renshaw since he would not be able to play himself into form in the earlier rounds like Federer often does when he starts off slow in slams.

So who is the true king of Grass?

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Old 12-29-2012, 05:15 AM   #2
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Duuuuuuuude, those were really different times, I don't know how you want to compare THOSE eras.
I can understand the same question between Federer and Sampras, or even Perry or those people, but going way long ago to the 1800s... I think it's impossible to even imagine.
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Only Renshaw and Federer won 7 Wimbledons (And Sampras). No one else. That's why we're comparing.

I don't buy that "Oh the eras are too different argument."

This is to determine who is really the true king of grass of all time. Fred Perry? He only won Wimbledon ONCE. Both Renshaw and Federer had eras named after them.

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and how exactly do you want anyone here to evaluate mr.renshaw's game?
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Only Renshaw and Federer won 7 Wimbledons. No one else. That's why we're comparing.
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I don't buy that "Oh the eras are too different argument."
Yea sports have not evolved in 100 years

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This is to determine who is really the true king of grass of all time. Fred Perry? He only won Wimbledon ONCE. Both Renshaw and Federer had eras named after them.
Because Wimbledon is the only Major ever held on grass
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Default Re: Who is the Real King of Grass: William Renshaw vs Roger Federer?

The US Open at this time was also held on grass but no one dominated the US Open like these two guys had at Wimbledon.

Has anyone won 7 grass US Open titles?
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The US Open at this time was also held on grass but no one dominated the US Open like these two guys had at Wimbledon.

Has anyone won 7 grass US Open titles?
Tilden I think.

And Sampras won 7 wimbledon titles, so you should count him as well.

Laver won 9 grass court slams just for you to know.
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IS OP just making this thread because they want a Brit to be on the level of Fed?
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Sampras > Federer on grass
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sampras was the king of grass in the open era mate . he was the true grass courter and used to play the net game something Fed doesn't do


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Renshaw would lose to every ranked player today I would bet my life on that
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Does anyone know Renshaw's Wimbledon win-loss match record?
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Interestingly both Renshaw and Federer played the same style. Right-handed, known for their technique, and powerful forehand.

thats not exactly unique, you can say that for just about every grand slam winner in the history books
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1. Snoop Dogg

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