[RafaelNadalisGod]

Well the Fedtards have spoken so it's official. Federer is a mug and clearly no where near the GOAT. If Roger Fucking Federer isn't competition I don't know who fucking is. The hypocrisy of these Fedtards

[Pirata.]

Originally Posted by GSMnadal

I love how Fedtards are calling Prime Federer 'shit competition'

Did you see the 2008 final?

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Mountaindewslave

it's an illusion that he was playing in a particularly bad clay era. if you look at the 90s as a whole entire decade the situation of great clay players was arguably worse than the 2000s or Nadal's clay era. Federer is great on clay too, in any other clay era I am certain he would have won multiple Roland Garros's. Djokovic, Ferrer, Ferrero, Coria (at moments), all were pretty good claycourters. Nadal would have dominated on clay in any era although maybe he would have had a bit less success with wooden rackets. his main advantage is his athleticism. thats what made him so hard to beat

His athletic ability is obviously his strength, but had he been born to play in previous eras, he would not have the same physique as he does now. I mean what Borg put in at the gym was the gold standard at that time, and how things have changed since then. At the same time, he has got to be one of the most heavily benefited players in terms of current technology. That topspin forehand isn't going to affect someone with a similar backhand weakness such as that of Federer in previous generations especially with wooden rackets.

[GSMnadal]

Originally Posted by Pirata.

Did you see the 2008 final?

Fantastic display of one of the greatest players of all time to avoid the triple bagel, grabbing 4 games against that Nadal is one of the great feats of the open era.

[Mountaindewslave]

Originally Posted by HKz

His athletic ability is obviously his strength, but had he been born to play in previous eras, he would not have the same physique as he does now. I mean what Borg put in at the gym was the gold standard at that time, and how things have changed since then. At the same time, he has got to be one of the most heavily benefited players in terms of current technology. That topspin forehand isn't going to affect someone with a similar backhand weakness such as that of Federer in previous generations especially with wooden rackets.

it's arguable either way about how good shape he would be in another era. he is the equivalent of BOrg as far as fitness compared to his fellow generation, so I think he would still have a massive advantage physically no matter what time he played. I do agree with the racquet argument, wooden rackets would be difficult for him to consistently win with and he'd be even easier to attack than he is now. but latter 80s, 90s, I think it's irrelevant the differences, he would still dominate on clay with graphite racquets especially when the large frames were introduced in the latter 80s

[manadrainer]

Originally Posted by RafaelNadalisGod

Well the Fedtards have spoken so it's official. Federer is a mug and clearly no where near the GOAT. If Roger Fucking Federer isn't competition I don't know who fucking is. The hypocrisy of these Fedtards

Well, you have to admit though that clay is Fed's weakest surface by a mile (compared with hard and grass). The fact that Rafa faced mostly a fast court specialist in the finals of clay tournaments shows that the level of competition on clay surely wasn't the highest. I don't understand why Nadal fans don't get this logic since it's the same they use to diminish Fed's achievements on other surfaces. The most of the comments I read here are that Fed is "an overrated mug who was lucky to play in a mug era, his records are overinflated."

[Saberq]

Originally Posted by manadrainer

Well, you have to admit though that clay is Fed's weakest surface by a mile (compared with hard and grass). The fact that Rafa faced mostly a fast court specialist in the finals of clay tournaments shows that the level of competition on clay surely wasn't the highest. I don't understand why Nadal fans don't get this logic since it's the same they use to diminish Fed's achievements on other surfaces. The most of the comments I read here are that Fed is "an overrated mug who was lucky to play in a mug era, his records are overinflated."

disgrace..........pathetic statements

[manadrainer]

Originally Posted by Saberq

disgrace..........pathetic statements

Pathetic? You know Fed owns practically every open era record on grass and HC? (well not everyone but most of them?) surely you can't say the same for clay, can you?

Anyway I am sorry but you can't have it both ways: if Fed faced shitty competition, the same has to be said about Nadal.

[Saberq]

Originally Posted by manadrainer

Pathetic? You know Fed owns practically every open era record on grass and HC? (well not everyone but most of them?) surely you can't say the same for clay, can you?

saying that Fed's weakest surface is clay BY A MILE where if not for Nadal he would have won 5 or 6 RG titles and that he is a fast court specialist which is not true because that implies that he is only good on fast surfaces and he is an all court,all around player who's clay skills were more than formidable for Nadal throughout his career

[manadrainer]

Originally Posted by Saberq

saying that Fed's weakest surface is clay BY A MILE where if not for Nadal he would have won 5 or 6 RG titles and that he is a fast court specialist which is not true because that implies that he is only good on fast surfaces and he is an all court,all around player who's clay skills were more than formidable for Nadal throughout his career

I'm not saying Fed is a clay mug, I'm just stating that during his career he's been WAY better on faster surfaces. that is undeniable imho.

[Saberq]

Originally Posted by manadrainer

I'm not saying Fed is a clay mug, I'm just stating that during his career he's been WAY better on faster surfaces. that is undeniable imho.

results wise yes skills and game wise slightly worse

[Matt01]

Originally Posted by End da Game

His only challenger was fedmug , that says it all.

Fedmug the worst greatest player of all time

[Johnny Groove]

Originally Posted by selyoink

Excellent observation. Something the Nadaltards will never admit. Doesn't mean Nadal isn't an all time great clay courter but his numbers are inflated by the shit competition he faced on the surface.

Or maybe he is so good he just makes the competition look bad?

[MTwEeZi]

Originally Posted by Pirata.

Did you see the 2008 final?

warm regards..

[manadrainer]

Originally Posted by Saberq

results wise yes skills and game wise slightly worse

Game wise we've seen many times how on faster surfaces he can even solve the Nadal's riddle and can use his offensive skills at best, whereas on slow surfaces he gets outgrinded many times (not only by Rafa).