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Old 11-22-2012, 11:46 PM   #166
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Really? He needs 4 more. Will he be YE no.1 in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016? I doubt it. He will be 26 next year i.e. end of 2016 he'd have to be 30 and the no.1 player. His game isn't like Federer with lots of cheap points - he declined a bit in 2012 vs 2011 and no reason to think he'll be better at age 28 than he is now. Don't think that figure is reachable nor do I see him being this committed for 4 more years.
when he's 30 years old, the competition will not be as tough as when Fed is 30 years old, that's a big difference, people look at Djokovic against today's competition to guess how it will be hard for him in 4 years but it will probably not be as hard.

Besides, this kind of game can last long, see Connors and Agassi. There are more players like that among players who lasted long than players who had many cheap points. He's complete, has no weakness, a light body, a very good backhand, that's perfect to last long.

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If Nadal ends up with 13 hypothetically, Novak will need 9 more slams to overtake him! 9! That's as many as Lendl in a career!

Overall I see him ending up in a Lendl like position - LOT of consistency, lot of finals, long time at no.1, but fewer slams than his top rivals (Fedal) and a rung below them in the all-time great stakes. Nadal, like Borg, will have historically a short time as no.1 relative to his stature but in the context of him being no.2 to Federer for so long that's understandable
Lendl really started winning slams when he was 25 years old, Djokovic can do the same and it's easier now to win Wimbledon than in Lendl's time.

Besides, when Lendl got old there were Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Sampras, Courier and before that Wilander ... (all players who were already very impressive and won a lot at a very young age)

What seems the main opposition to Djokovic in next years is Murray, and Nadal at least on clay, elsewhere we will see.
We will see what they can do but imo Djokovic could win many slams, Murray is not as good and Nadal is fragile. Lendl never won more than 2 ones in a year.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:56 PM   #167
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when he's 30 years old, the competition will not be as tough as when Fed is 30 years old, that's a big difference, people look at Djokovic against today's competition to guess how it will be hard for him in 4 years but it will probably not be as hard.

Besides, this kind of game can last long, see Connors and Agassi. There are more players like that among players who lasted long than players who had many cheap points. He's complete, has no weakness, a very good backhand, that's perfect to last long.



Lendl really started winning slams when he was 25 years old, Djokovic can do the same and it's easier now to win Wimbledon than in Lendl's time.

Besides, when Lendl got old there were Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Sampras, Courier and before that Wilander ... (all players who were already very impressive and won a lot at a very young age)
It's possible maybe. But he can't waste any more chances. He can't lose 2 GS finals in the same year if he wants to acomplish that. He can lose one here and there but not 2 in the same year.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:03 AM   #168
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It's possible maybe. But he can't waste any more chances. He can't lose 2 GS finals in the same year if he wants to acomplish that. He can lose one here and there but not 2 in the same year.
that's what happened this year, nothing says it will happen every year, we will see.

Anyway I think he will last long and I believe more in 6 year-end number 1 rankings than in a very high number of slams (although I think he has a big chance of winning more ones than Lendl)
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that's what happened this year, nothing says it will happen every year, we will see.

Anyway I think he will last long and I believe more in 6 year-end number 1 rankings than in a very high number of slams (although I think he has a big chance of winning more ones than Lendl)
I know that we can't know what will happen, this year he won "only" one slam. He should get at least 2 per year while he is in his peak to get to those numbers.

And I agree, I see more possible a high number of weeks at 1 than a very high number of slams won.
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that's what happened this year, nothing says it will happen every year, we will see.

Anyway I think he will last long and I believe more in 6 year-end number 1 rankings than in a very high number of slams (although I think he has a big chance of winning more ones than Lendl)
6 year-end number 1 is so unrealistic, even with a poor field next years. Many things can happen. 2 more years is more likely imo (with no injuries).
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6 year-end number 1 is so unrealistic, even with a poor field next years. Many things can happen. 2 more years is more likely imo (with no injuries).
2 years is more careful but not more likely than 4 imo, "2 years or more" is indeed more likely by definition

One thing I had forgotten to say : Djokovic has another common point with Connors and Agassi : he has a light body which helps against injuries and tiredness.


To go back to the comparison with Lendl, considering the difference in age with Djokovic :
- Murray would have to be Wilander (well, Wilander was younger than Lendl, not Murray, but I mean it's the most similar, esp. if you consider the year when they emerged : 80-81 for Lendl, 82 for Wilander ; 2007 for Djokovic, 2008-2009 for Murray)
- Edberg could be Raonic (much less talented imo, and Edberg was younger comparing to Lendl)
- Becker could be Tomic (much less talented imo and also older comparing to Djokovic than Becker was to Lendl ... and he would already have won Wimbledon )
- Agassi and Sampras could be Wiersholm and Kozlov (in age and nationality it's the best correspondence)

(I've already made the comparison of Nadal with McEnroe, and Federer with Connors)

of course comparisons don't say everything but they can say something imo rather than just keeping one's eyes on the present and thinking that it will always be Djoko against Nadal, Federer and Murray, which is another natural tendency.

I think we may be in Djokovic's era for a long time as there was Lendl's era.
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We can not say how long Djokovic will be #1 and other players would not improve at all they will stay the same. Who can say that Polish guy would get to the final at Bercy -Paris. Did someone knew about him? I do not think so. This boy has such a nice game.Djokovic plays quite a physical game and to say he will not get injured i am not sure.Even this year he was not dominant Yes he is YE #1 but won just six titles. He was able to defend just three titles from
last year and won three new ones he did not play last year. If we can compare him to Federer who was #1 long long time it is quite different.Federer never lost his #1 for 237 weeks and three years in row he had ten titles each year, I do not know but Novak has not got this easy game as Federer does. You could see how difficult he can defeat Federer at this age and Federer did not play his best all week.
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Djokovic will not reach double digits at the slams. He is not following the same career trajectory of Borg, Sampras, Federer and Nadal. These 4 players at one stage of their careers were 10-2 in slam finals.

Djokovic is 5-4 in slam finals so his career trajectory is more similar to Agassi's who ended up with an 8-7 record in slam finals.

With just 5 slams, Djokovic has already lost 4 slam finals. That's too much. Djokovic is winning almost as many slam finals as he is losing. Borg, Sampras, Federer and Nadal only went on to lose their 4th slam final when they all had already won 10+ slams.

Borg had already won 11 slams, Sampras had already won 13 slams, Federer had already won 12 slams and Nadal had already won 10 slams when they lost their 4th slam final.

When all is said and done, Djokovic could very well have a 9-8 record in slam finals.
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this is a guessing game. who the hell knows? Novak's said a year ago that there is life outside of tennis and that he doesn't plan to play forever indicating he'll retire before he is 30yo. I don't think he is chasing any records btw and he certainly doesn't care if he stays #1 longer than Rafa. all it matters is win some more slams, enjoy life, have fun.
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We can not say how long Djokovic will be #1 and other players would not improve at all they will stay the same. Who can say that Polish guy would get to the final at Bercy -Paris. Did someone knew about him? I do not think so. This boy has such a nice game.Djokovic plays quite a physical game and to say he will not get injured i am not sure.Even this year he was not dominant Yes he is YE #1 but won just six titles. He was able to defend just three titles from
last year and won three new ones he did not play last year. If we can compare him to Federer who was #1 long long time it is quite different.Federer never lost his #1 for 237 weeks and three years in row he had ten titles each year, I do not know but Novak has not got this easy game as Federer does. You could see how difficult he can defeat Federer at this age and Federer did not play his best all week.
Agree. I'm sure Djokovic could maintain this physical game at 28-30 years-old and win majors. But at all (or most of) tournaments of a whole year? I don't know, no one knows.
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this is a guessing game. who the hell knows? Novak's said a year ago that there is life outside of tennis and that he doesn't plan to play forever indicating he'll retire before he is 30yo. I don't think he is chasing any records btw and he certainly doesn't care if he stays #1 longer than Rafa. all it matters is win some more slams, enjoy life, have fun.
he said in the end of this year that he would like to get Sampras's record of 6 year-end number 1s.

Yes, I think he's someone who would like other things in life than tennis, but someone who has been brought-up with such ambition and determination to fulfill it as him will not retire early if he has a lot of success imo.
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Frauderer will fluke the no. 1 spot at 1 point in the year, you can bet your housewife on that.
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Laver won more majors. 19.
You said Borg is considered greater player than Lendl beacuse he won more slams. Sampras won 14 while Laver won 11 slams. Here is the list of Grand Slam men's singles champions list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gles_champions

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2. Sampras 14
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Yep. I'm just making a comparison with Borg vs. Lendl and that despite Lendl spent a considerable longer time as #1, Borg is considered the player with the better career because he won more slams than Lendl.
Laver is considered greater player than Sampras despite the fact that Sampras won more slams than Laver.

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Djokovic will not reach double digits at the slams.
Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert. Sampras said Djokovic will probably reach double digits at the slams http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...nis/57339052/1
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