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Old 11-15-2012, 02:45 AM   #31
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lol @ people blaming a one month offseason on players not doing so good at the aus open
though the heat a different story :P it can get hot in melbourne in january and most of the players dont come here early enough to get used to the conditions
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:46 AM   #32
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Don't forget Mugdasco, almost finalist in 2009.

RG had a lot of flukes when its surface was slow clay and there were underdogs such as Costa,Verkerk,Galo Blanco,Meligeni... who were capable of demolishing top ten players
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First, let me say how I despise the use of "mug" on MTF! So many faceless no names daring to criticize others doing things they could not even attempt in their dreams.

As to the question, I simply believe these men have an inspired two weeks, rise in recognition, and then falter under the new found weight of expectation. It's more mental than anything else.
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All flukes at AO?
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Schuetmug, Mugzalez, Clemug, Tsongmug, Mugdull, Mugdhatis, etc.

I'm starting to think it's fixed. Discuss.
You do realize "Mug" stands for "Mentally Unchallenged Giant"? I agree these players deserve praise, but this it a little over the top.
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Great thread.

I suggest to lock it and ban the OP.
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Great thread.

I suggest to lock it and ban the OP.
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It was at the start of the season where several players aren't match-fit yet and before Novak/Muzza were that good and when Rafa was still inconsistent off clay.
Or these players were simply playing excellent tennis in their own right.

These runs by unexpected players are amongst my fonder memories in the sport. They acquired something which today's underdogs could only dream of. Balls, obviously.

People have bitter memories of Clement reaching the final, because seemingly almost everyone wanted and expected Grosjean to do so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he strolled past a young Federer, beat former champion Kafelnikov and edged out Grosjean himself in an extremely close match, playing creative tennis and daring to approach the net, especially for a smaller man.

Schuettler was a rock, if not fortunate of the withdrawal of Safin and the fact Roddick was playing at 75% due to his marathon against El Aynaoui. He played fearless tennis up until the final where the wheels fell off.

Baghdatis played magical tennis. There was just a sense of inevitability that he would reach the final and if it weren't for his legs, I think Federer would have had to have played one of the most clutch matches of his career to win.

Gonzalez and Tsonga hit the form of their careers. Both served well and dominated from the baseline, with Tsonga's drop volley's never better.

People can say that it was because Nadal, Djokovic and Murray hadn't yet reached their prime, without judging the performances on their own merit, because either they can't remember them nor care to see them but every one of these players played a level of tennis worthy of a grand slam finalist.

The answer to your question is that nobody exactly knows why, each of these men probably have different reasons. What they all have in common is that they were physically and mentally prepared. Without the grind and troubles of the tour, I'd imagine that these players physical and mental bruises would have healed and that they come back onto the tour feeling refreshed and looking forward to the first big one of the year. There's no doubt that these players proved mentally stronger during that fortnight than any in their career so I'd be more inclined to go with the inkling that their mentally approach had been resynthesized.
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Or these players were simply playing excellent tennis in their own right.

These runs by unexpected players are amongst my fonder memories in the sport. They acquired something which today's underdogs could only dream of. Balls, obviously.

People have bitter memories of Clement reaching the final, because seemingly almost everyone wanted and expected Grosjean to do so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he strolled past a young Federer, beat former champion Kafelnikov and edged out Grosjean himself in an extremely close match, playing creative tennis and daring to approach the net, especially for a smaller man.

Schuettler was a rock, if not fortunate of the withdrawal of Safin and the fact Roddick was playing at 75% due to his marathon against El Aynaoui. He played fearless tennis up until the final where the wheels fell off.

Baghdatis played magical tennis. There was just a sense of inevitability that he would reach the final and if it weren't for his legs, I think Federer would have had to have played one of the most clutch matches of his career to win.

Gonzalez and Tsonga hit the form of their careers. Both served well and dominated from the baseline, with Tsonga's drop volley's never better.

People can say that it was because Nadal, Djokovic and Murray hadn't yet reached their prime, without judging the performances on their own merit, because either they can't remember them nor care to see them but every one of these players played a level of tennis worthy of a grand slam finalist.

The answer to your question is that nobody exactly knows why, each of these men probably have different reasons. What they all have in common is that they were physically and mentally prepared. Without the grind and troubles of the tour, I'd imagine that these players physical and mental bruises would have healed and that they come back onto the tour feeling refreshed and looking forward to the first big one of the year. There's no doubt that these players proved mentally stronger during that fortnight than any in their career so I'd be more inclined to go with the inkling that their mentally approach had been resynthesized.
Agreed. Of course Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray are excellent players, but the fact other players made major finals before these guys hit their peak does not detract from those performances.

I particularly enjoyed Baghdatis's surprise run at AO. And he played amazing tennis that fortnight. He was rather unfortunate to meet Federer - who was pretty much unbeatable that year off clay...
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Agreed. Of course Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray are excellent players, but the fact other players made major finals before these guys hit their peak does not detract from those performances.

I particularly enjoyed Baghdatis's surprise run at AO. And he played amazing tennis that fortnight. He was rather unfortunate to meet Federer - who was pretty much unbeatable that year off clay...
Baghdatis had an enormous chance against Federer. A set, 2-0 and a break point for a double break. Federer wasn't as convincing with his performances in Australia as he was in 2004, 2005 (Yes, he lost to Safin in the SF, but the 2005 AO version of Federer trumps the 2006 version) and 2007. He was pushed to the limits by Davydenko and Haas and looked to be more of the same from Kiefer and Baghdatis but both didn't have enough left in the tank. Big opportunities missed by all of these men.
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Indeed, Gonzalez beind runner up in a GS is a real disgrace for tennis
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Or these players were simply playing excellent tennis in their own right.

These runs by unexpected players are amongst my fonder memories in the sport. They acquired something which today's underdogs could only dream of. Balls, obviously.

People have bitter memories of Clement reaching the final, because seemingly almost everyone wanted and expected Grosjean to do so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he strolled past a young Federer, beat former champion Kafelnikov and edged out Grosjean himself in an extremely close match, playing creative tennis and daring to approach the net, especially for a smaller man.

Schuettler was a rock, if not fortunate of the withdrawal of Safin and the fact Roddick was playing at 75% due to his marathon against El Aynaoui. He played fearless tennis up until the final where the wheels fell off.

Baghdatis played magical tennis. There was just a sense of inevitability that he would reach the final and if it weren't for his legs, I think Federer would have had to have played one of the most clutch matches of his career to win.

Gonzalez and Tsonga hit the form of their careers. Both served well and dominated from the baseline, with Tsonga's drop volley's never better.

People can say that it was because Nadal, Djokovic and Murray hadn't yet reached their prime, without judging the performances on their own merit, because either they can't remember them nor care to see them but every one of these players played a level of tennis worthy of a grand slam finalist.

The answer to your question is that nobody exactly knows why, each of these men probably have different reasons. What they all have in common is that they were physically and mentally prepared. Without the grind and troubles of the tour, I'd imagine that these players physical and mental bruises would have healed and that they come back onto the tour feeling refreshed and looking forward to the first big one of the year. There's no doubt that these players proved mentally stronger during that fortnight than any in their career so I'd be more inclined to go with the inkling that their mentally approach had been resynthesized.
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