"Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread" - Page 60 - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

View Poll Results: Vote for speeding up the courts or against it!

Speed up the courts 299 80.59%
Leave them as they are 72 19.41%
Voters: 371. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

Old 11-13-2012, 02:11 PM   #886
country flag rocketassist
Banned!
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 25,682
rocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond reputerocketassist has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt01 View Post
I thought on faster courts they wouldn't even had made the final? Isn't that what you are always saying?
I bet that Nadal and Djokovic prefer plying an exhausting long final than losing in 2nd round of a Slam.
Nadal wouldn't have no but the slow, joint-killing battles at places like the AO, IW and Miami against Djokovic are partially the reasons why his knees are done in. It's just too physical. Speed up HCs and slow down clay.

Nadal has won his career slam now anyway so it won't matter if he started losing early in some sped up HC events.

Whoever said Djokovic would benefit from quicker courts, haha no chance. He's better than Nadal on them for sure but he won't defend as well on them plus he likes time to set up a rhythm on his ground game and higher bounces help that.
rocketassist is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 11-13-2012, 02:15 PM   #887
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,103
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fed wants faster courts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
Err, he said when Novak is on the defense he still plays offensively. If a court was quicker that would therefore suit him.

Pretty obvious conclusion to make.
As long as you're trolling/know nothing about tennis, yeah.

On proper fast hardcourts, defense would be almost eliminated. Djokovic wouldn't have the time to get to so many balls and get a full swing on his defensive shots and would need to adopt a different gameplan to succeed.
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 02:26 PM   #888
country flag 70-68
Registered User
 
70-68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 823
70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute70-68 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Fed wants faster courts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
You have taken a ridiculous sample of 1 match from two different types of surfaces and made a conclusion based on that?

Do you realise how stupid that is?
I already mentioned more than just 1 or 2 examples in my first post.

If you think Djokovic would prefer faster courts, you are just simply wrong, because he wouldn't. Maybe against Nadal or Ferrer, but definitely not against Federer or Murray.
70-68 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 02:36 PM   #889
country flag Wing Man Frank
Banned!
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,660
Wing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond reputeWing Man Frank has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Oh God, the Fedtards are out in force.
Wing Man Frank is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 02:37 PM   #890
country flag GOAT = Fed
Registered User
 
GOAT = Fed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,835
GOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
Oh God, the Fedtards are out in force.
Oh God, the idiocy force is out in force.
GOAT = Fed is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 04:02 PM   #891
country flag alneirh
Registered User
 
alneirh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 31
alneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond reputealneirh has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Yes, faster courts would benefit Federer against the 3 other TOP 4, but he would face many problems against random ballbashers and servebots. (Fed himself complained about that some time ago, I can't remember now when)
alneirh is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 04:09 PM   #892
country flag juan27
Registered User
 
juan27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Age: 26
Posts: 2,592
juan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond reputejuan27 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

that it`s good for tennis too alneirh....

that the big-4 have more difficults for win
juan27 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 04:12 PM   #893
country flag LeChuck
Registered User
 
LeChuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,048
LeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Really it comes down to whether you are a (top) player fan or a general tennis fan.

If you only care about the top players then the current set-up, where all of the top players are benefiting from the surface homogenisation to reach the finals/semi-finals at practically every big tournament in sight, is perfect. The tournament directors at the big events must also love the current predictability.

However if you are a wider tennis fan who wants to see players having to adapt to significantly different surfaces, as opposed to those surfaces adapting to make it easier for them, and wants to see a larger range of players enjoying the spotlight and succeeding at different times of the year, then you would prefer more surface variety.

I personally fall into the second category.
LeChuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 04:15 PM   #894
country flag Looner
Registered User
 
Looner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11,258
Looner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
Oh God, the Fedtards are out in force.
Oh, God, I am talking BS and I can't overturn proper arguments, so I can complain the "Fedtards" are bullying me .

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeChuck View Post
Really it comes down to whether you are a (top) player fan or a general tennis fan.

If you only care about the top players then the current set-up, where all of the top players are benefiting from the surface homogenisation to reach the finals/semi-finals at practically every big tournament in sight, is perfect. The tournament directors at the big events must also love the current predictability.

However if you are a wider tennis fan who wants to see players having to adapt to significantly different surfaces, as opposed to those surfaces adapting to make it easier for them, and wants to see a larger range of players enjoying the spotlight and succeeding at different times of the year, then you would prefer more surface variety.

I personally fall into the second category.
Well, I am top player fan and I want to see diversity because that's the main reason I started watching the game.
__________________

The "Who plays tennis?" thread


On beating weak era players in finals of slams
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lopez View Post
Say what you want about Federer playing Baghdatis and Gonzo in AO finals... But at least he won them
On patriotism and the DC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crustaceok View Post
Barbados is in the same division as Spain. Unbelievable.
Looner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:09 PM   #895
country flag LeChuck
Registered User
 
LeChuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,048
LeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond reputeLeChuck has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

I should explain that by top player fan, I mean someone who only cares about whether their favourite player continues to rack up the big titles, and doesn't care about much about the rest of the sport in general.

Of course it would be better for the players as a whole and for fans who like seeing different styles of tennis, if there was more surface variety.

We need slow surfaces on the tour, and we also need fast surfaces. Tennis would suck if the majority of surfaces were ice rinks that gave rise to ace-fests, and it sucks at the moment with too much tennis being played on slower hard courts. Players grinding so much on at these hard court events is harmful to their long term health as well, with their bodies taking a such pounding.

I think that the red clay tournaments need to be slowed down, the Wimbledon grass needs to be sped up, there needs to be a greater difference between the Australian and US Open hard courts with one of them playing fast and the other playing slow, carpet needs to be re-introduced and implemented at all the indoor events and Miami needs to change surface to green clay.

The extra week that will be introduced between RG and Wimbledon from 2015 is a very welcome (and long overdue) step in the right direction.
LeChuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:15 PM   #896
country flag Looner
Registered User
 
Looner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11,258
Looner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond reputeLooner has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeChuck View Post
I should explain that by top player fan, I mean someone who only cares about whether their favourite player continues to rack up the big titles, and doesn't care about much about the rest of the sport in general.

Of course it would be better for the players as a whole and for fans who like seeing different styles of tennis, if there was more surface variety.

We need slow surfaces on the tour, and we also need fast surfaces. Tennis would suck if the majority of surfaces were ice rinks that gave rise to ace-fests, and it sucks at the moment with too much tennis being played on slower hard courts. Players grinding so much on at these hard court events is harmful to their long term health as well, with their bodies taking a such pounding.

I think that the red clay tournaments need to be slowed down, the Wimbledon grass needs to be sped up, there needs to be a greater difference between the Australian and US Open hard courts with one of them playing fast and the other playing slow, carpet needs to be re-introduced and implemented at all the indoor events and Miami needs to change surface to green clay.

The extra week that will be introduced between RG and Wimbledon from 2015 is a very welcome (and long overdue) step in the right direction.
There's not much you can do about clay if it's warm. It's more about the balls, I think.
__________________

The "Who plays tennis?" thread


On beating weak era players in finals of slams
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lopez View Post
Say what you want about Federer playing Baghdatis and Gonzo in AO finals... But at least he won them
On patriotism and the DC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crustaceok View Post
Barbados is in the same division as Spain. Unbelievable.
Looner is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:23 PM   #897
country flag JanKowalski
Registered User
 
JanKowalski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Poland
Age: 32
Posts: 1,900
JanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond reputeJanKowalski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeChuck View Post
I should explain that by top player fan, I mean someone who only cares about whether their favourite player continues to rack up the big titles, and doesn't care about much about the rest of the sport in general.

Of course it would be better for the players as a whole and for fans who like seeing different styles of tennis, if there was more surface variety.

We need slow surfaces on the tour, and we also need fast surfaces. Tennis would suck if the majority of surfaces were ice rinks that gave rise to ace-fests, and it sucks at the moment with too much tennis being played on slower hard courts. Players grinding so much on at these hard court events is harmful to their long term health as well, with their bodies taking a such pounding.

I think that the red clay tournaments need to be slowed down, the Wimbledon grass needs to be sped up, there needs to be a greater difference between the Australian and US Open hard courts with one of them playing fast and the other playing slow, carpet needs to be re-introduced and implemented at all the indoor events and Miami needs to change surface to green clay.

The extra week that will be introduced between RG and Wimbledon from 2015 is a very welcome (and long overdue) step in the right direction.
That's going too far. Carpet would produce ace-fests, which almost nobody wants. Although a couple of 250s or even 1 500 would be fine IMO, but not a 1000, and definately not ALL indoor events.

4th clay 1000? No thanks.

As for indoor hard, didn't you hear? The trend pushed by Djokovic is to marginalize indoor tennis (make it optional, put WTF right after the US Open). The next step will probably be switching WTF to outdoor hc. Djokovic/Murray is the future, so we all know who the ATP will listen to. It would be bad business no to cater to the current top players. Who cares about being fair (providing varied conditions) to lower ranked players. Who cares about Fed, who is declining and will retire in a couple of years at most.

Last edited by JanKowalski : 11-13-2012 at 05:33 PM.
JanKowalski is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:30 PM   #898
country flag GOAT = Fed
Registered User
 
GOAT = Fed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 9,835
GOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond reputeGOAT = Fed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by JanKowalski View Post
That's going too far. Carpet would produce ace-fests, which almost nobody wants. Although a couple of 250s or even 1 500 would be fine IMO, but not a 1000.

4th clay 1000? No thanks.

As for indoor hard, didn't you hear? The trend pushed by Djokovic is to marginalize indoor tennis (make it optional, put WTF right after the US Open). The next step will probably be switching WTF to outdoor hc. Djokovic/Murray is the future, so we all know who the ATP will listen to. It would be bad business no to cater to the current top payers. Who cares about being fair (providing varied conditions) to lower ranked players. Who cares about Fed, who is declining and will retire in a couple of years at most.
So you're proposing to make the sport cater to only the top 2 players?
GOAT = Fed is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:33 PM   #899
country flag Burrow
Registered User
 
Burrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,048
Burrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond reputeBurrow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Looner View Post
There's not much you can do about clay if it's warm. It's more about the balls, I think.
The type of clay and amount of clay do play a big part, but balls is obviously a big factor too, across the board.
Burrow is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2012, 05:34 PM   #900
country flag tribalfusion
Banned!
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,314
tribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond reputetribalfusion has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Just out of curiosity, does anyone recall a comment about surfaces from Federer from his top period where what he describes became evident and he was the main beneficiary?
tribalfusion is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios