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Old 10-26-2012, 01:19 AM   #1
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Default TT Changes 2013

First of all, thanks for all the suggestions We're now proceeding to the next step of the changes period. This thread will be used to discuss the topics which were brought up in the suggestions thread.

The suggestions are ordered by numbers. You can vote/discuss each of the topics and also reply to posts of other players.

It's not necessary to vote for all the topics, but the players' participation is important for a decision/change to be made.

COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?

Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?

Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:

GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:

No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:

It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?

Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS


7) Late entries & seedings

No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS


9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?

Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP


12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)


13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System


14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.

Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:

Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?


RANKING POINTS


17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?


20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?


21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?
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First of all, thanks for all the suggestions We're now proceeding to the next step of the changes period. This thread will be used to discuss the topics which were brought up in the suggestions thread.

The suggestions are ordered by numbers. You can vote/discuss each of the topics and also reply to posts of other players.

It's not necessary to vote for all the topics, but the players' participation is important for a decision/change to be made.

COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?
Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?
Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:
GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:
No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:
It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?
Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS

7) Late entries & seedings
No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS

9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?
Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP

12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)

13) Standardizing the OOP:
No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System

14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.
Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:
Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines? No
GD should be used as the PTS system? Yes


RANKING POINTS

17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)? No

20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?

21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline? No]
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i'll post my answers tomorrow

im pretty sure about most of them right now but i'm both tired and a bit drunk... i think... so i'll post my opinions in the morning
its also 10:30
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With my manager point of you, Question 9 - if you let people send the pick to several person it is a mess.
Question 12- If you restraint it, I think you loose an interesting aspect of the manager job.


COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?

Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?

Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:

GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:

No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:

It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?

Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS


7) Late entries & seedings

No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS


9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?

Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP


12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)


13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System


14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.

Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:

Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?


RANKING POINTS


17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?
NO

20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?


21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?
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COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?
Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?
Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:
GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:
No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:
It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?
Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS

7) Late entries & seedings
No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS

9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?
Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP

12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)

13) Standardizing the OOP:
No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System

14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.
Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:
Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?



RANKING POINTS

17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS

19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?

20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?

21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline? NO
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Answers in blue


COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?

Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?

Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:

GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:

No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:

It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)

Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?

Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS


7) Late entries & seedings

No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS


9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?

Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP


12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)


13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System


14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.

Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:

Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?


RANKING POINTS


17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?

After first set is complete
20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?


21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?

No
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1)Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?

Yes

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?

Yes (but no if qualifying points were introduced)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:

GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)

Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami

4) Late entries & SE's:

No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?


5) Doubles commitments:
It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list

It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)




6) Singles commitments by another person?

Yes/No (Current rule: yes)

No


DRAWS


7) Late entries & seedings
No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?


No restrictions



8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

No of course not – that’s part of the fun and luck of the game


SENDING PICKS


9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

No


10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?

Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

Yes – but only in cases when the site is down


11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

Definitely yes – it damaging for the future of game when new players join and pair up with people who don’t send – can cause them to lose interest in the game and drop out.



OOP


12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)

No restrictions - would prefer it to stay in the managers hands


13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?

No - Definitely should stay the Managers Choice


TB System


14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.
Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

No


15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

No

16) PTS:
Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?

No



RANKING POINTS

17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.
Yes/No (Current rule: no)

No





OTHERS

19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?

I would say yes – but only if one whole set had been completed



20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?

Diversity – and depending on which managers are available




21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?

A massive NO
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COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?

Yes/No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?

Yes/No/No if qualifying points are introduced? (Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:

GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD? (current rule)
Players who're still alive in the GS (or IW/Miami) by Saturday (GS R16) should be out of the 2nd week challengers, MD or qualifying?
Players should be able to commit to the 2nd week challengers only after they're out of the GSs/IW/Miami?

4) Late entries & SE's:

No restrictions? (current rule)
Players who commit as late entries 48 hours or less before the final deadline shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE?

5) Doubles commitments:

It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team? (current rule)
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list?

6) Singles commitments by another person?

Yes/No (Current rule: yes)


DRAWS


7) Late entries & seedings

No restrictions? (current rule)
Late entries shouldn't be seeded?

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


SENDING PICKS


9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?

Yes/No/Facebook? (Current rule: yes)

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OOP


12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, at least 7, no restrictions?)


13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice (Current rule)
Yes - The order should be decided by the number of differences of each match: more diffs -> higher in the SR order?
Yes - The order should be decided by the order of the matches in the official OOP: left to right or top to bottom?


TB System


14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.

Yes/No (Curret rule: no)

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

16) PTS:

Correct order of sets should always beat correct scorelines?
GD should be used as the PTS system?


RANKING POINTS


17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.

Yes/No (Current rule: no)


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?
YES


20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?


21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?
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I was just wondering why my suggestion of having an extra 32 player draw for World Tour Finals week is not there?

If you are going to change the main draw points system to the ATP and are discussing the qualy system too, it should be how the ATP does qualy points as well.

I don't see why playing your doubles partner in singles should even be a suggestion, ATP players do it all the time in real life, they can/do manage, I see this as even less of an issue in cyberspace.
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COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?
Yes

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?
Yes, no changes

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:
GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD

4) Late entries & SE's:
Players who commit as late entries shouldn't be eligible to receive a SE

5) Doubles commitments:
It should be enough if only a player commits the doubles team

6) Singles commitments by another person?
Yes, only by doubles partners.


DRAWS

7) Late entries & seedings
Late entries shouldn't be seeded

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
No


SENDING PICKS

9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
No

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?
Yes, if an acceptable reason exists

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?
Never


OOP

12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds

5

13) Standardizing the OOP:

No - Manager's choice


TB System

14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.

No

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?

No

16) PTS:

MY ONLY SUGGESTION

In PTS tiebreak system: There should be a new points distribution. I manage a game in a small forum where the aim is to have the closest prediction on a match. Distribution system is:

Hitting the winner: 25 pts
Hitting the number of sets played (you can only get points here if you get the winner): 50 pts
Guessing a scoreline on a wrong set (example, you pick player A to win 62 61 and he wins 76 62, you have 6-2 but in a different order): 75 pts each
Guessing a scoreline on the correct set (example, you pick player A to win 63 64 and he hines 63 76, you have 6-3 on the correct position): 125 pts each


RANKING POINTS

17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.

No

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.

Yes

OTHERS

19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes

No

20) Challenger choices

Continent diversity and lists quality

21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?

No
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COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?
Yes

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?
Yes, but I think that players shouldn't be allowed to play any other tournament in the same week as GS qualies.

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events
Anything but the current system, it's unfair (and difficult for the managers).
I'd say that players who are still in GS by Saturday (or Sunday since these challengers usually start on Sundays) should be out of the 2nd week challengers (Q&MD).


4) Late entries & SE's
No restrictions. I see those SE spots as a kind of WC and since the number of SE spots is limited I don't have any problem with them. However, SE spots can be given according to the commitment time (not SE request time, and not ranking as it is now).

5) Doubles commitments
Commitment by one player should be enough.

6) Singles commitments by another person?
No (just because it would be easier for the managers).

DRAWS

7) Late entries & seedings
Don't care.

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
No.

SENDING PICKS

9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
I'd say that picks may be accepted if the person who posted OOP forwards the picks to the manager before the deadline. But if you sent picks to the wrong person you can't demand to accept them.

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?
Yes.

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?
No.

OOP

12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds (4, 5, 6, 7, no restrictions?)
Managers choise. Sometimes it happens that some cheep challenger doesn't have qualies, while TT tournament has, it that case it might be difficult to have a certain amount of matches in the first round.

13) Standardizing the OOP
No, managers choise.

TB System

14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.
No.

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?
No.

16) PTS
I think we need a rule that perfect scoreline always wins.

RANKING POINTS

17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.
Yes, at least at the event where ATP has them.

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.
No, but I don't really care.

OTHERS

19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?
No. I'd see it acceptable only if the retirement happend in the last set of the match (in the set which would have been the last if the retired player would have lost it).

20) Challenger choices: ranking points/entry list quality or diversity of continents/timezones?
Availablity of managers Playing tournaments where manager can't post smth on time because he is sleeping is more anoying than playing tournament with unknown players.

21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?
Players can't make such demands.
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I would like - no LOVE - for anyone voting NO on #15 to give me a coherent and rational explanation for keeping the current flawed system.
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I would like - no LOVE - for anyone voting NO on #15 to give me a coherent and rational explanation for keeping the current flawed system.
Since we are already using the shootout system, this means that both players picked the same number of correct winners and correct SRs. So the winner depends only on the TT OOP (which is subjective). I don't think that the player who guessed the correct winner in a match with a higher priority is better than the player who gave more credit to the winner in a match where both players failed to guess the winner.

I don't see why guessing the correct winner in a "more competative" match but failing to guess who wins a "less competative" one is a better result than the opposite.
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COMMITMENTS

1) Should players be allowed to play in two places at the same time (the final of a week X event AND the qualifying of a week x+1 event)?
No? (Current rule: yes)

2) Should players who lose in a Grand Slam qualifying be allowed to play a challenger in the following week?
No(Current rule: Yes)

3) GS/IW/Miami week 2 events:
GS R16 - out of qualifying; GS QF - out of MD

4) Late entries & SE's:
No restrictions

5) Doubles commitments:
Both players in a partnership should commit/confirm before being accepted in the doubles list

6) Singles commitments by another person?
No


DRAWS

7) Late entries & seedings
No restrictions

8) Should there be a restriction to avoid singles R1 matches between doubles partners?
No


SENDING PICKS

9) Should picks which were sent to the person who posted the OOP be accepted?
No

10) Should picks sent by e-mail be accepted?
Yes

11) Should there be a punishment for players who don't send picks?
No


OOP

12) Standard minimum of TT matches in first rounds
no restrictions

13) Standardizing the OOP:
No - Manager's choice

TB System

14) TB method: The number of sets given to the winner when the player picks the loser (2-1, 3-2 & 3-1 losing picks) should be a tie-breaker before the SR shootout.
No

15) SR Shootout: Picking the correct winner or SR of a lower SR should have priority over giving a set to the winner when both players pick the loser in a higher SR?
No

16) PTS:
GD should be used as the PTS system

RANKING POINTS


17) Qualifying points: There should be points for qualifying wins.
Yes

18) There should be a Team Race for the World Tour Finals.
Yes


OTHERS


19) Retirements should count for SR and shootout purposes (64 40 ret -> 64 60 win; 46 23 ret -> 46 63 60 win)?
No

20) Challenger choices:
ranking points/entry list quality

21) Possible exception: Accepting picks 1/2/3/4/5 minutes after the deadline?
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