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Old 10-18-2012, 07:49 AM   #361
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When Djokovic will take No.1 back, if it's after Basel, this statistic will become:

1. Roger Federer: 302/3 = 100.66
2. Rafael Nadal: 102/2 = 51
3. Lleyton Hewitt: 80/2 = 40
4. Ilie Nastase: 40/1 = 40
5. Ivan Lendl: 270/8 = 33.75
6. Jimmy Connors: 268/9 = 29.77
7. Novak Djokovic: 54/2 = 27
8. Pete Sampras: 286/11 = 26
9. Mats Wilander: 20/1 = 20
10. Bjorn Borg: 109/6 = 18.16
11. Andre Agassi: 101/6 = 16.83
12. Jim Courier: 58/4 = 14.5
13. Stefan Edberg: 72/5 = 14.4
14. Gustavo Kuerten: 43/3 = 14.33
15. Andy Roddick: 13/1 = 13
16. John McEnroe: 170/14 = 12.14
17. John Newcombe: 8/1 = 8
17. Juan Carlos Ferrero: 8/1 = 8
19. Boris Becker: 12/2 = 6
20. Yevgeny Kafelnikov: 6/1 = 6
21. Marat Safin: 9/3 = 3
22. Thomas Muster: 6/2 = 3
22. Marcelo Rios: 6/2 = 3
24. Carlos Moya: 2/1 = 2
25. Patrick Rafter: 1/1 = 1

Nole is forced to hold No. 1 for 53 weeks to regain his previous efficiency.

Hewitt at No. 3. Respect !!!
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Nole is forced to hold No. 1 for 53 weeks to regain his previous efficiency.

Hewitt at No. 3. Respect !!!
It's a little funny to see that at the moment every active player is ahead of every retired player (if we consider Ferrero retired).

Djokovic' comeback will one again vault Nastase into first among those with one stretch only. He's lost that distinction many times but always regained it.
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It's a little funny to see that at the moment every active player is ahead of every retired player (if we consider Ferrero retired).
That really says a lot about how powerful this era actually is. Certainly to me, I don't care if it does the same to others.
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Djokovic' comeback will one again vault Nastase into first among those with one stretch only. He's lost that distinction many times but always regained it.
TBH, Nastase was helped a lot in having a longer stretch by the fact that ATP was releasing a new Rankings much rarer than today. Although, he could have had only 8 weeks like Newcombe, so it's still a bit of an achievement.
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TBH, Nastase was helped a lot in having a longer stretch by the fact that ATP was releasing a new Rankings much rarer than today. Although, he could have had only 8 weeks like Newcombe, so it's still a bit of an achievement.
That is true. Wilander is actually the one who has topped the most different ranking lists in only one stretch.
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It's a little funny to see that at the moment every active player is ahead of every retired player (if we consider Ferrero retired).

Djokovic' comeback will one again vault Nastase into first among those with one stretch only. He's lost that distinction many times but always regained it.
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That really says a lot about how powerful this era actually is. Certainly to me, I don't care if it does the same to others.
Federer being so dominant helps Nadal's numbers in this case. If he'd had less of a stranglehold on the #1 ranking then Nadal might have stolen it a few times in '05-'07. Even though he'd have more weeks at #1 it would be over 3,4,5+ stretches so his "efficiency" would fall.
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Federer being so dominant helps Nadal's numbers in this case. If he'd had less of a stranglehold on the #1 ranking then Nadal might have stolen it a few times in '05-'07. Even though he'd have more weeks at #1 it would be over 3,4,5+ stretches so his "efficiency" would fall.
That is of course true, but he was never close to it. Federer had a really commanding lead throughout. His lead was never below 1500 points, which today corresponds to 3000 points - a Slam and a Masters. If there should have been back-and-forth then 2008-10 would have been the time for it.
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Here is a different version in which only the computer releases are counted.

Efficiency of number 1 ranked players by release list count:

1. Roger Federer: 301/3 = 101.33
2. Rafael Nadal: 100/2 = 50
3. Lleyton Hewitt: 80/2 = 40
4. Ivan Lendl: 218/8 = 27.25
5. Pete Sampras: 286/11 = 26
6. Novak Djokovic: 47/2 = 23.5
7. Andre Agassi: 101/6 = 16.83
8. Mats Wilander: 16/1 = 16
9. Jim Courier: 58/4 = 14.5
10. Stefan Edberg: 72/5 = 14.4
11. Gustavo Kuerten: 43/3 = 14.33
12. Andy Roddick: 13/1 = 13
13. Ilie Nastase: 10/1 = 10
14. Juan Carlos Ferrero: 8/1 = 8
15. John McEnroe: 92/14 = 6.57
16. Boris Becker: 12/2 = 6
17. Yevgeny Kafelnikov: 6/1 = 6
18. Jimmy Connors: 46/9 = 5.11
19. Bjorn Borg: 29/6 = 4.83
20. Marat Safin: 9/3 = 3
21. Thomas Muster: 6/2 = 3
22. Marcelo Rios: 6/2 = 3
23. Carlos Moya: 2/1 = 2
24. John Newcombe: 1/1 = 1
25. Patrick Rafter: 1/1 = 1

Observe how it was all weekly between 1985 and 2010 and that leads to an identical part to the one before, and the difference in the display of players ranked #1 between 1973 and 1985 and starting with 2011.
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Great post... you can throw numbers like this up all day and there will still be sad blind haters mouthing off that Federer is nothing but luck and fluke.
I agree it is a great post, but I disagree a high score in this statistic is an argument for greatness, (neither is it an argument against greatness).

Because if Federer had performed worse after 2008 and never regained #1 for a second and third streak, his score in this list would be much higher (237).
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Because if Federer had performed worse after 2008 and never regained #1 for a second and third streak, his score in this list would be much higher (237).
It's a measure of efficiency as Number 1. It actually measures how much a player can hold his number 1 position when getting it.

1. It is a mark of greatness from a certain point of view. It shows the player's domination power. See how some former number 1 players had many streaks one week long, and nowadays they have less streaks many weeks long. That means their advantage to the competition is higher, their domination power increased. It's either be efficient or not. If you get the number 1 position, hold it. If you can't hold it, don't get it. It's like capture the flag.

2. From another point of view, the ATP has kept increasing the points gained in majors against points gained in minor tournaments, so the players that win majors will always dominate other players, making fluke number 1 streaks (a few weeks long) closer to less likely. This point of view also goes in my book.
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Has there ever been a rerun of ranking numbers that uses a consistent standard from beginning to end? For example granting the same number of points for a major from beginning to end. This may be impossible to create but maybe someone has done it anyway?
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Has there ever been a rerun of ranking numbers that uses a consistent standard from beginning to end? For example granting the same number of points for a major from beginning to end. This may be impossible to create but maybe someone has done it anyway?
This is at least the last few years, courtesy of duong:

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no but here's what I've got for the end of years (precision : at the current moment Federer has 6545 points ahead of Djokovic 6200, Nadal 4775 and Murray 4415) (other precision : in lists from to 2009 to 2011, players are ordered according to their rankings with the new ranking system) :

2009 :

Code:
Federer	Nadal	Djokovic	Murray	Del Potro	Davydenko	Roddick	Söderling	Verdasco	Tsonga	Gonzalez	Stepanek	Monfils	Cilic	Simon
5 765	5 205	5 005	4 305	3 855	3 000	2 860	2 308	2 445	2 030	2 035	1 755	1 653	1 785	1 765
2010 :

Code:
Nadal	Federer	Djokovic	Murray	Söderling	Berdych	Ferrer	Roddick	Verdasco	Youzhny	Melzer	Monfils	Tsonga	Cilic	Almagro
6 695	5 430	3 895	3 440	3 425	2 515	2 485	2 325	2 200	1 990	1 980	1 675	1 660	1 620	1 565
2011 :

Code:
Djokovic	Nadal	Federer	Murray	Ferrer	Tsonga	Berdych	Fish	Tipsarevic Almagro	Del Potro	Simon	Söderling	Roddick	Dolgopolov
7 135	5 495	4 935	4 390	3 120	2 925	2 540	2 110	1 860	1 615	1 580	1 555	1 685	1 405	1 400
and for the previous years when the old system was still active :

2003

Code:
Roddick	Federer	Ferrero	Agassi	Coria	Schuettler	Moya	Nalbandian	Philippoussis	Grosjean	Srichaphan	Massu	Novak	El Aynaoui	Henman
4 535	4 375	4 205	3 425	3 330	3 205	2 280	2 060	1 615	1 610	1 595	1 559	1 510	1 480	1 480
2004 :

Code:
Federer	Roddick	Hewitt	Safin	Moya	Henman	Coria	Agassi	Nalbandian Gaudio J. Johansson	Canas	Robredo	Hrbaty	Grosjean
6 335	3 655	3 590	3 060	2 520	2 465	2 400	2 100	1 945	1 920	1 595	1 595	1 465	1 380	1 370
2005 :

Code:
Federer	Nadal	Roddick	Hewitt	Davydenko	Nalbandian Agassi	Coria	Ljubicic	Gaudio	Gonzalez	Puerta/Safin	T. Johansson	Ferrer	Ginepri
6 725	4 765	3 085	2 490	2 390	2 370	2 275	2 190	2 180	2 050	1 790	1 730	1 645	1 620	1 520
2006 :

Code:
Federer	Nadal	Davydenko	Blake	Ljubicic	Roddick	Robredo	Nalbandian Ancic	Gonzalez	Haas	Baghdatis	Berdych	Ferrer	Nieminen
8 370	4 470	2 825	2 530	2 495	2 415	2 375	2 295	2 060	2 015	1 890	1 860	1 705	1 475	1 460
2007 :

Code:
Federer	Nadal	Djokovic	Davydenko	Ferrer	Roddick	Gonzalez	Gasquet	Nalbandian	Robredo	Murray	Haas	Blake 	Berdych	Canas
7 180	5 735	4 470	2 825	2 750	2 530	2 005	1 930	1 775	1 765	1 755	1 720	1 710	1 685	1 653
2008 :

Code:
Nadal	Federer	Djokovic	Murray	Davydenko	Tsonga	Simon	Roddick	Del Potro	Blake 	Nalbandian	Ferrer	Wawrinka	Monfils	Gonzalez
6 675	5 305	5 295	3 720	2 715	2 050	1 980	1 970	1 945	1 775	1 725	1 695	1 510	1 475	1 420
and here's what I've got for the maximum number of points reached at a moment of the year by each player who reached more than 2000 points since 2000 :

Code:
Federer 8370 (20.11.06) Nadal 7845 (11.05.09) Djokovic 7785 (12.09.11) Murray 5505 (24.08.09) Agassi 5208 (03.04.00) Hewitt 5205 (12.08.02) Roddick 5185 (02.08.04, n2) 
Kuerten 4750 (10.09.01) Ferrero 4570 (20.10.03) Safin 4300 (03.05.01) Del Potro 3845 (11.01.10, n4) Coria 3770 (5.07.04, n3) Söderling 3760 (21.02.11, n4) 
Sampras 3739 (23.10.00, n1) Norman 3610 (17.07.00, n2) Davydenko 3525 (22.03.10, n6) Tsonga 3500 (06.08.12, n6) Nalbandian 3360 (12.06.06, n3) 
Ferrer 3350 (16.07.12, n5) Ljubicic 3315 (21.08.06, n3) Schuettler 3205 (17.11.03, n6) Moya 3160 (09.06.03, n4) Kafelnikov 3145 (19.11.01; n4) Berdych 3070 (11.06.12, n7) 
Rafter 3065 (10.09.01, n4) Haas 3030 (19.08.02, n3) Grosjean 2865 (19.11.01, n6) Henman 2825 (13.09.04, n4) Gonzalez 2810 (21.05.07, n5) Enqvist 2693 (11.09.00, n6) 
Robredo 2645 (02.04.07, n6) Blake 2605 (29.01.07, n6) Verdasco 2560 (03.05.10, n9) Corretja 2475 (04.12.00, n8) Gaudio 2440 (16.05.05, n6) Youzhny 2440 (04.10.10, n8) 
Kiefer 2435 (21.02.00, n4) Costa 2385 (22.07.02, n6) Simon 2375 (06.07.09, n7) T Johansson 2365 (22.04.02, n8) Novak 2355 (21.10.02, n5) Tipsarevic 2315 (13.08.12, n8) 
Pioline 2307 (12.06.00, n6) Gasquet 2220 (09.07.07, n7) Monfils 2150 (22.08.11, n7) Melzer 2135 (25.04.11, n8) Cilic 2135 (19.04.10, n11) Baghdatis 2111 (25.09.06, n8) 
Fish 2110 (28.11.11, n8) Canas 2075 (13.06.05, n8) Ancic 2075 (05.02.07, n9) Clement 2025 (06.08.01, n11)
(for the year 2000 it's maybe not fully representative, esp. in the beginning of the year, because it was the first year with a new ranking system, there are always transition concerns in such cases and Agassi looks a little bit low to me)
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When Djokovic will take No.1 back, if it's after Basel, this statistic will become:

1. Roger Federer: 302/3 = 100.66
lapsus : Djokovic will take number 1 after Paris and Fed end his current streak at 302 weeks,
as Djokovic has not asked a wild-card in Basel or Valencia, he will concentrate on Paris MS1000 then the WTF.
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lapsus : Djokovic will take number 1 after Paris and Fed end his current streak at 302 weeks,
as Djokovic has not asked a wild-card in Basel or Valencia, he will concentrate on Paris MS1000 then the WTF.
I have heard that he will take over as number 1 on the 5th of November.
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I have heard that he will take over as number 1 on the 5th of November.
Yes, this is the correct date, it is also the date duong refers to - "After Paris". Paris is played 29/10 - 4/11.
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