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Old 10-16-2012, 12:01 PM   #61
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This is a very sensitive issue I guess for all Putin/ER supporters. If you consider yourself a decent person you can't condone injustice and cruelty, so in order to keep clear concience you rather create your own reality where criminals become victims and vice versa.
Oh yes I understand it's a very sensitive issue.
I don't like Putin but I'm an outsider. I always liked Yeltsin, maybe because he was a tennis fan but well... I also understand many people didn't like Yeltsin. I won't go more into politics, just wish all the best for Russia, it could be a great country like Marat said.
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This is a very sensitive issue I guess for all Putin/ER supporters. If you consider yourself a decent person you can't condone injustice and cruelty, so in order to keep clear concience you rather create your own reality where criminals become victims and vice versa.
For sure, I understand the dynamic, the rationalisations etc. It's just I thought Marat understood it too. I never thought he'd trade his "reality" so readily, so mindlessly for another one.

Well, it's with some relief that I give up (what I hope is) the last of my illusions.
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Irochka, if you allow me to rephrase:

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Guys, why are you shocked really? The environment changes the units in the system. Even if Marat was as pure as a spring drop, it's matter of time for him to change.

That's what some of us were saying at the start of his political career btw...
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Anna!
Naaah, I'm not shocked really, I just still love him.
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Mashenkaaaa Miss you tons! I am doing great, thanks! I hope you do too... apart from certain someone's choice of career
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Guys, why are you shocked really?
Annie - the "shocker", for me, is the unexpected blindness to his own hypocrisy. Namely, the arrogant, offhand way in which he dismisses Pussy Riot as "worthless" and "stupid", with the smug and callous "they got more than they bargained for" attitude, with zero understanding of the issues at hand. And this practically in the same breath as "You can't think there's only black and white, and the deputies are idiots".

So he doesn't want to be dismissed in black and white terms as an idiot, and yet here he is doing the exact same thing to Pussy Riot. I really thought he would aim for a higher level of discourse, and venture, at the most, an anodyne observation like "the girls were a little misguided, but they have since acknowledged as much" etc. Instead he's revealed his own level of intellect. Shocking, indeed.

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The environment changes the units in the system. Even if Marat was as pure as a spring drop, it's matter of time for him to change.
I question whether a political system must inevitably corrupt the people within it. I think it's possible for someone of intelligence and integrity to see the whole power structure, from top to bottom, and work within it to the best of their ability, without sacrificing their goodness, humanity and intellectual clarity. It's time there was a different kind of human being influencing the "system" (obviously it won't be Safin), rather than the other way round.
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Hey, Heidi!

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I question whether a political system must inevitably corrupt the people within it.
Sadly the majority in any system rules, hence it changes/adopts/assimilates the "different" and they become just like them
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Annie - the "shocker", for me, is the unexpected blindness to his own hypocrisy. Namely, the arrogant, offhand way in which he dismisses Pussy Riot as "worthless" and "stupid", with the smug and callous "they got more than they bargained for"
He has basically repeated Putin's comments on this issue who said that they got what they wanted and that the judge "slapped them with twopence" (not sure how to translate Putin's slang.) So, if a president can speak publicly like that (speak before verdict is confirmed mind you), what can we expect from MP of his ruling party
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I really thought I had made my last comment after reading his views in this latest 'interview - especially following on from the previous article........but I am a wordy bitch and can't resist throwing my six-penneth ( or two) into the debate:

Sadly, I can no longer give him the 'benefit of the doubt' or even, to be honest, believe that he has somehow been 'corrupted' by the system - frankly, it's easier, but less palatable - to conclude that he went into politics BECAUSE he tacitly agrees with Putin's view of the world - namely, Russia is in the middle of the universe and everywhere else is just an ignorant inconvenient impediment to Russia's ascent back to greatness and the rest of the world's opinion doesn't matter becasue they just don't "understand" - which has alwasy been Putin's rallying cry - of course Marat is correct - Russia IS a huge contry with (Theoretically) HUGE potential - but not until they throw off the shackles of the mentality of the Peasant and the Baron - the history of Russia is and remains essentially FEUDAL

Sure, the peasants are no longer owned by the Tzar, or owned by a communist dictator - now they are owned by the Kremlin which in turn has subdued the influence of the oligarchs who live under the shadow of show trials and jail - so still, there is no sense of what personal freedom - and the attendant concept of individual responsibity - actually means within the ordinary Russian's mind-set - the social ills that have beset the population as a result of the catastrophe of the Yeltsin era are clear for all to see in the terribel drug and alcoholism issues that have pushed the average Russian man's life expectancy down to third world levels...

Reading MArat's twitter comments from October he basically recognises this - but as Monkey has pointed out, he appears oblivious to the contradictory nature of his stamenents - now - MArat has ALWAYS had a tendency to do this - but its just more blatant in this context - and a lot less endearing....incidentally, I am willing to bet that he gave up twitter around June- ever since his sudden re-appearance at the begining of the month, NONE of his tweets ring true, to be honest - the spelling and the phrasing are totally at odds with what we know to be his grasp of English...but anyway - some minion for ER no doubt posting in his place these days....but I wish they would report the troll who I think we all know who is busy trashing his timeline with gay porn - not a good look for an ER poli.....and pretty much puts anyone else off tweeting genuine questions..

That aside - his dismissal of Pussy Riot in the terms he used, and apparent inability to make anything like a measured,thoughtful assessment of the impact of their actions on the wider political sphere and actually take part in a debate about the issues their actions have raised within the wider communuty - both domestic and international, merely confirms something else that has become increasingly obvious in his statements reflecting his attitude to women...

Marat apparently finds it incomprehensible that women ("girls" - some of whom are actually mothers) may actually have a BRAIN in their heads and make a conscious decision to do something that involves personal risk in order to make a powerful statement - it would seem that in Marat's world, women are facile, insignificant creatures with nothing to contribute other than stay at home looking after the 5 kids, making a 'home', servicing her 'husband' and looking the part - in other words, women should just shut up and suck it - and not get involved in matters that are beyond their flimsy intellects to understand - like important matters of state...as for his adoption of the yellow-press version of his personal life - LOL at that ....and a s awoman, what does that say about his alleged and invisible 'other half' with whom he is supposedly living in domestic bliss- must be scrubbing those wooden floors in between international modelling assigments) well, that sure puts new meaning to the phrase "trophy wife" don't you think?

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He has basically repeated Putin's comments on this issue who said that they got what they wanted and that the judge "slapped them with twopence" (not sure how to translate Putin's slang.) So, if a president can speak publicly like that (speak before verdict is confirmed mind you), what can we expect from MP of his ruling party
I don't know. I was under the impression that Marat was non-partisan, and that his joining the Popular Front was simply a means to get elected. And even if he is a fully paid up member of United Russia, it doesn't necessarily follow that he would use the same base rhetoric as Putin.

I guess I know what to expect now.

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Sadly the majority in any system rules, hence it changes/adopts/assimilates the "different" and they become just like them
That's certainly true of anyone who lacks rigorous self-knowledge (which is probably in fact the majority), and that's why there needs to be a different kind of human being transforming the system from within, or we are all screwed, to put it bluntly. For example, if the Dalai Lama were dropped into the Duma, right into the lap of United Russia, I imagine he'd remain true to his values and work to influence the political environment for the better. Not that I thought Marat was like the Dalai Lama. Just that he should be more like him.

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Sadly, I can no longer give him the 'benefit of the doubt' or even, to be honest, believe that he has somehow been 'corrupted' by the system - frankly, it's easier, but less palatable - to conclude that he went into politics BECAUSE he tacitly agrees with Putin's view of the world ...
Exactly! That's exactly what got me: the abrupt realisation that the greatest influence on Marat seems to have been his own ignorance world view, rather than any party, leader or system. His self-contradiction may have been charming and ironic-sounding in his tennis days, but now he's an MP, it smacks more of someone conveniently blind to his own faults, and in a political setting it's not hard to see where this leads. You end up being able to justify the unjustifiable and unlawful.

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I am willing to bet that he gave up twitter around June- ever since his sudden re-appearance at the begining of the month, NONE of his tweets ring true, to be honest - the spelling and the phrasing are totally at odds with what we know to be his grasp of English...but anyway - some minion for ER no doubt posting in his place these days...
I'd love it if this were true, because the constant arse-kissing that comes from one particular quarter (and I don't mean the gay porn maniac) would be utterly to no avail.

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... but I wish they would report the troll who I think we all know who is busy trashing his timeline with gay porn - not a good look for an ER poli.....and pretty much puts anyone else off tweeting genuine questions..
I agree. From what I can glean from this nutjob's tweets, Marat told him to f*** off, before blocking him. Then again, it might just be pure fantasy, like everything else he tweets.

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For example, if the Dalai Lama were dropped into the Duma, right into the lap of United Russia, I imagine he'd remain true to his values and work to influence the political environment for the better.
If Dalai Lama were dropped into the Duma he'd be expelled from there very fast, believe me )) For example, russian investigation committee would find extremism in his doings and would ask ER to strip him of mandat
I'm not even joking btw, it's a very realistic scenario for today's Russia.
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... I'm not even joking btw, it's a very realistic scenario for today's Russia.
I'd love to know whose side the public would be on in that scenario! I suppose, though, when push comes to shove, any government is prepared to abuse its powers, its citizens and individual politicians (the USA immediately springs to mind). So-called Western democracies are anything but, and I don't really understand why Marat thinks non-Russians are unqualified to comment on the connivances of the Kremlin, when corruption of the state is nothing new in any country one cares to mention.
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I'd love to know whose side the public would be on in that scenario!
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Mer and Monkey: Great observations about our once revered Marat. Don't know if he was always really this way or if the past year has changed him but I think some of it was lurking all the time. The Pussy Riot remark was, in my opinion, a show of "women need to know their place," the same attitude he has about his own "relationship" with the walking manikin. He does what he wants and she takes it. Of course that's her lack of self esteem in my view. Anyway, overall, it is what it is and we are just followers of this whole thing can just take it in and make our own opinions. You two, however, speak with intelligence and foresight. Perhaps he should have a face to face with you two and let us see how he comes out!! Good job.

You too Inez, especially you. Great observations and comments. You pretty much said it all.

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These days he makes my blood boil - but not for any GOOD reason.....i just want to slap some sense into him.
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