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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 39 17.57%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.27%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 105 47.30%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 33 14.86%
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:58 PM   #1231
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quote me in 3 years time
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:39 PM   #1232
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u were on the right track

nadal spoiled the party... again
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:45 PM   #1233
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Default Re: The Federer Decline Thread (Is he done, will he win another Slam)

why not have one more slam run in him?

too much to ask?

meh, what does he really have left to prove?

done it all, won it all
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:04 PM   #1234
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Default When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

For me it`s easier with his backhand. Now looks like Fed always had this swing to be his main weakness, but till 2008 I never was scared every time he played backhand. But then... I think it had a lot to do with his loss to Nadal at Wimbledon. Not like before he hit the ball without EU and later couldn`t find a court, but something changed at least in my sensation. Cincy, Toronto, OG, even victory at US - backhand always gave a lot to think about. Hovewer Fed`s forehand remained to destroy opponents from any position.

But at some moment Fed lost it too. I mean he still has some great stretches with different kinds of shots from "open" racquet, but misses started to increase and the feeling about inevitable punishment for player who dared to hit the ball to Federer`s strong hand disappeared.

I was trying to remember my impressions, when I felt it happening the first time, but just can`t. Surely, the most important reason here is declining in speed. A bit worse footwork and so on. Such things always consist of many factors.

Anyone?
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:40 PM   #1235
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

Federer is still winning slams, playing semis and finals against younger, faster, stronger players.

He's not doing it with his BH slice and will only.

Fed's FH is right there still. You just got confused by the scene, the oponent and the period.

And mainly the oponent. Watch him against Cilic and you don't get any of these mixed feelings.

Watch him winning Wimbie with all the best guys around, etc.

Fed is losing 3 things only - 1. Highest motivation at non slams. 2. His footwork (which increases his semi forced errors and makes him play more defensive BH slices) And last but not least and the part i'm most concerned about - his serve.

I fear his back problems have become irrevirsible and he's doing what he can with the pain constantly there.

You can't lose your speed of serve and coordination just like that, it doesn't take much stamina, it's you and the ball.

And we saw him today trying at times to hit a strong first serve to get a free point and it was going miles away, like 2 meters out.

At this moment he's just serving a strong second serve for his first and a weak second serve as second, which is the prime of his problems imho.

The back is probably why he said he needed longer rest and this kind of pain goes almost fully away only from resting, then it's fully back after one tournament.

That's where all the problems come from.

If Cilic and the type can't do much against a 190kph sliced first serve, being pretty much Roger's maximum atm, it is hardly an issue for the better players.

I fear that during next season Fed's back will force him to retire, maybe after Wimby.

Hopefully his docs find a way to overcome this problem, but often this kind of problem is irrevirsible except with surgery, so i fear it might be the case with Roger.

Anyways, the guy would have retired one year ago, he would still be the best who ever played the game for me, so now with N17 and the OG silver he's there big time already.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

Hm, hard to say really. I'd say 2008.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

I don't think he ever lost it per se. He simply started slowing down back in 2008, starting shanking too much and mishitting shots the prime Fed would not miss. It's normal tho. I know many people here see Fed as immortal but he is just human. Nobody can sustain that level of play and Fed will retire at some point. Give a guy a break. Millions of matches on the internet to watch and admire his skills.

I'd say probably the best FH ever, although I'll always fight for Gonzo in this category . Sorry to bring Gonzo here, but when I see his FH I feel like 'I want sex now',
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

Federer has never been the same player since he contracted mono. That year he played lights out for the first two matches of the Aussie Open then won a grueling five setter against Tipsarevic and since then he has never fully recovered.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

He hasn't lost it it just materialises alot more seldom than it used to. Even in 2012 Fed has played some matches where his Fh has been just superb. He lost the consistancy and aura around it in about 2008 when Rafa started to give him pain.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

When he realised Tdoc rates Nadal's better than his. It's all mental.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

Never. His speed and footwork declined, not his FH per se.
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Never. His speed and footwork declined, not his FH per se.
Not really. Federer shanks shots these days where he has 10 years to set up and hit it.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

I would say 2008, but it's not entierly gone. Much like his career in general, post peak, his forehand comes and goes in brilliance.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

When he started playing prime guys like Rafa, Novak and Murray. When he was against Roddick, Baghdatis, and geriatric Agassi it was unstoppable.
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

I would rather ask when it became so easy attacking Feds serve, it doesnt always happen but sometimes nowadays you see players like Murray and Berdych just ripping on Feds 2nd serve and sometimes 1st serve. I think I remember Nalbandian doing that on indoor courts at some point in Feds peak, but even then Fed had the footwork to respond to those attacks unlike nowadays.

I dont recall anyone able to attack Nadals serve like that since he improved his serve, neither Djokovic's which is strange. At the same time Feds 2nd serve can be very effective if he gets it going, his 2 main rivals; Djokovic and Nadal doesnt really have the ability to attack it.

I think the key change to the worse in Feds game is that he has so much more difficulty to turn defense to offense compared to before because of slower footwork, so if you put him on the defensive nowadays you will put him out of balance, Murray has understood this and stopped pushing against Federer but attacks alot. In fact Murray is more offensive against Federer than Nadal and Djokovic who still think pushing for mistakes still is the most effective way to beat Federer.
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