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Old 10-10-2012, 01:31 PM   #811
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me likes this Shanghai court
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:22 PM   #812
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Cincy is quicker, Dubai has a higher bounce imo.
After watching more, it may be as quick as Cincy was this year, but the bounce is surely lower than it was in Cincy this year.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:00 PM   #813
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Shanghai isn't that fast, then again there aren't any fast courts at the moment.
it looks faster than last year to me. Tokyo also looked pretty fast. Both Paris, and the WTF were quite fast last year. Halle is ok-ish. But your point stands more or less, it could all be alot faster.
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WTF was not faster last year. Paris even less so .
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it looks faster than last year to me. Tokyo also looked pretty fast. Both Paris, and the WTF were quite fast last year. Halle is ok-ish. But your point stands more or less, it could all be alot faster.
WTF is not fast... it´s not slow as those asian indoors 250, but medium fast indoor court, Paris was last year dramatically slower from 2010-players complained it was to fast...

Considering the fact both Tokyo and Shanghai are decoturf - what used to be fast HC - they should play at leat like this, if not even faster, but in Shanghai´s case they have quicker balls - just switch those Slazengers at Wimby with this HEAD balls from Shanghai and we don´t need speed up grass and it will play faster for sure
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I think we are seeing subtle changes that indicate the ATP are willing to speed up the courts, at least for a bit.

IMO, Australia will definitely play faster next year.
How do you know this? Actually AO is good how it is just Wimby and USO should be faster if we want variety there should be 2 different HC slams- one slow, one fast
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How do you know this? Actually AO is good how it is just Wimby and USO should be faster if we want variety there should be 2 different HC slams- one slow, one fast
I hate to see words HC and slow in same sentence. Slow HCs, like in AO, lead to longer points and favour grinding, which destroys players bodies. My ideal for the HC slams would be two somewhat different middle-paced surfaces. As we have fast low-bouncing grass and slow high-bouncing clay, I'd like HC slams to be on medium-fast high-bouncing HC and medium-slow low-bouncing HC. And yeah, speed Wimby up a lot and slow RG down a bit.
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Australian Open has always been a slow hard court, even in eras where the courts played differently

Agassi and Courier dominated there, Sampras was just weird there despite being one of the top 3 hard court players in history

Federer is also nowhere near as good at Australian Open as he is at Wimbledon or Us Open. there's a reason most of his wins came in 2007 or earlier when it was faster

same for Nadal also, despite being great at Miami and Indian Wells, is awful at AO

it's just a very weird slam, always has been

personally, I would rather see Wimbledon and Us Open sped up before AO
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Australian Open has always been a slow hard court, even in eras where the courts played differently

Agassi and Courier dominated there, Sampras was just weird there despite being one of the top 3 hard court players in history

Federer is also nowhere near as good at Australian Open as he is at Wimbledon or Us Open. there's a reason most of his wins came in 2007 or earlier when it was faster

same for Nadal also, despite being great at Miami and Indian Wells, is awful at AO

it's just a very weird slam, always has been

personally, I would rather see Wimbledon and Us Open sped up before AO
You go around making these claims but in terms of results, this is RF's best slam consistency wise (10 straight years with SFs if he makes the SF in 2013). He's won 4 times and lost one final compared to winning 5 times and losing one final at the USO. Not that much of a difference.
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The solution to slow courts is a more aggressive game

One must develop his net game, of course. Still, as a player, my approach is to attack on some .75 deep and close the net. I'd rather chance my net game vs. the other fellow's passing shots, than defending for 10-15 shots than wait for an error. We need a slam champion with a game like this, and will inspire a generation to all play like this, fast court game would increase in interest, courts get sped up by tennis mafia, everyone wins.

MTF, of course, would complain that the game is too fast, hardly a point more than 3 balls. MTF would long for the days of Nadal-Djokovic grind fests.
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I rather doubt this.
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You go around making these claims but in terms of results, this is RF's best slam consistency wise (10 straight years with SFs if he makes the SF in 2013). He's won 4 times and lost one final compared to winning 5 times and losing one final at the USO. Not that much of a difference.
i didn't ever say federer was bad the AO. he's the 2nd best of the open era there, behind agassi

statistics are little skewed in this era, due to top 4 dominance, combined with slowed down courts. murray, nadal, djokovic, even federer, would not have the consistency they have now if the courts were as they were originally

but more to the point, federer is more beatable at the australian now, and was more beatable at the australian in his peak years. this cannot simply be explained by statistics

at wimbledon and the us, federer was not defeated, and no one looked like beating him either, until 2007 wtih djokovic and nadal

in the australian? nearly lost far too many close matches, did lose there unlike the other two slams

compared to wimbledon and the us open, the australian open is 'worse' for him
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it looks faster than last year to me...
Most people characterized it as much after the way Federer dismantled Nadal on those courts, but really, it's just a low bouncing surface. In that sense, it might carry the ball forward a bit more than the average surface, which guys like Fed capitalize on with first-strike tennis, but the court speed is pretty moderate. It didn't seem to give much back when the bigger hitters unloaded on it.
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Most people characterized it as much after the way Federer dismantled Nadal on those courts, but really, it's just a low bouncing surface.
Tournament officials in 2009 said it had been measured at medium/slow. I think it was perhaps a bit faster last year though, but not much (Djoko still called it quite slow).
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I think we are seeing subtle changes that indicate the ATP are willing to speed up the courts, at least for a bit.

IMO, Australia will definitely play faster next year.
Agree.
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