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Old 10-10-2012, 01:30 AM   #136
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He gets hate from a few frustrated internet fangirls like yourself. Otherwise looks to me like he gets a lot of positive attention.


Nadal only gets a ton of hate from Noserer fangirls who are bitter that Nadal made the "GOAT" his pigeon and exposed him for a clown that played in a mug era. They try to convince everyone who will listen that Nadal is "hated". Truth is, Nadal is one of the most popular sportsmen in the world. He has 11 slams at 26 years old, has tons of money, better looking and much slimmer girlfriend and is already a legend of the game. Noserertards mad because Nadal humiliated their hero on the big stage time and time again honestly make me laugh.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:39 AM   #137
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Default Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

Fair play to Toni and Rafa that's all I say.

They sat down and came up with a plan to beat Roger consistently and they were the first to do it.
Huge credit.

Why does it work?

Because Roger lets it work.

All Roger ever had to do was sit down with his coach and figure out a counter plan.
That never happened, not really.

Tennis is sport, sport is about winning and playing to your strengths ,not, playing to your opponents strengths. Doh.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:26 AM   #138
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Nadal only gets a ton of hate from Noserer fangirls who are bitter that Nadal made the "GOAT" his pigeon and exposed him for a clown that played in a mug era. They try to convince everyone who will listen that Nadal is "hated". Truth is, Nadal is one of the most popular sportsmen in the world. He has 11 slams at 26 years old, has tons of money, better looking and much slimmer girlfriend and is already a legend of the game. Noserertards mad because Nadal humiliated their hero on the big stage time and time again honestly make me laugh.
That mug era that Fed dominated is the same mug era in which Nadal won his 11 slams (7 of them at FO) so any attempt to disparage Fed's era also puts down Nadal. Making fun of Mirka and her weight is only a credit to Fed who could pretty much have his pick of women but who remains faithful to an overweight, not so hot looking (compared to the other tennis players' wives/girlfriends) older woman.

I think that Fed is comfortable with where he's at in his career. No matter what the Rafatards say, the record number of weeks at #2 is not a plus in any GOAT debate. His phenomenal clay play is to be applauded although I would still pick Borg over Nadal because of the serve - even on clay and most definitely on other surfaces.
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For those interested in more of what Toni had to say - from @raulfiber:
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" Juan Martín del Potro is a very complete player, hard to beat and to move around. He is an aspiring world n1"

"Juan Monaco has improved a lot this year. He is a player that lacks punch in key moments but is very complete and hard to beat"

"David Nalbandian is one of the classiest and better skilled in the Tour. He is capable of the best tennis, but not a fighter"

On Spanish Golden Generation: "Money is important but the most important is the personal effort from every sportman." "Sometimes it spontaneously appears, but watching your neighbour progress right next to you shows you you can do it too"
On Nadal's fame - some more facepalm quotes.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:50 AM   #140
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I can't wait for Nadal to make his return. His disgusting behavior and outlandish antics take on a quality of high comedy whenever he haplessly attempts to compete on a reasonably fast surface. Come on Nadal. Quit your cowardly hiding and play the indoor season and WTF. Everybody loves a good joke!
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:16 AM   #141
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Nadal only gets a ton of hate from Noserer fangirls who are bitter that Nadal made the "GOAT" his pigeon and exposed him for a clown that played in a mug era. They try to convince everyone who will listen that Nadal is "hated". Truth is, Nadal is one of the most popular sportsmen in the world. He has 11 slams at 26 years old, has tons of money, better looking and much slimmer girlfriend and is already a legend of the game. Noserertards mad because Nadal humiliated their hero on the big stage time and time again honestly make me laugh.
It's great how you try to diminish Olderer achievements: if he is an overrated mug who benefited of a weak era, what can we say about the strength of the clay field where Rafa had to beat the same overrated fast court specialist mug to win the majority of his FO titles.

Borg has won his titles in a stronger era, therefore I would say:

6x2=12>7

Multiplying by 2 is needed cause back in the day there were many more clay court specialists. Who are the other clay specialists in this era? Ferrer? The Spanish guy who bends over for Rafa anytime he asks? The same guy who's 0-14 against overrated, overhyped ballerina Olderer? Lol, strong clay era.

You have to either multiply Borg's titles by 2, or discount the titles Rafa won beating that overrated, overhyped fast-court specialist ballerina.
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Toni just blew my mind. I always thought the idea for Rafa was to go for broke against Roger. All those booming aces and outright forehand winners deceived me.
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Default Re: Toni: "When facing Roger the idea was always to slow down the points"

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Fair play to Toni and Rafa that's all I say.

They sat down and came up with a plan to beat Roger consistently and they were the first to do it.
Huge credit.

Why does it work?

Because Roger lets it work.

All Roger ever had to do was sit down with his coach and figure out a counter plan.
That never happened, not really.

Tennis is sport, sport is about winning and playing to your strengths ,not, playing to your opponents strengths. Doh.
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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