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Old 10-09-2012, 07:13 PM   #46
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Because the players in the nineties all specialized in returning serve
here are the players who won slams on fast courts in the 90s (i.e wimbledon and us open)

sampras, agassi, rafter, edberg, krajicek, and stich

so you have three all around players, an offensive baseliner, and two serve and volleyers, if you wanna put terms on them

as history has shown, sampras and agassi were more than good enough at returning serve. krajicek got hot for two weeks and stich retired early

that leaves rafter and edberg. tsonga is no where near edberg's level. rafter's...well, he has a better serve, and a better forehand, rafter with better volleys. return of serve...

the point is that tsonga's serve and volleys make him stand out in this era. in an actual era of those, he would have no chance

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This court was pretty fast compared with the rest of the tour, and there was no reason for Tsonga to throw in the towel after the call didn't go his way.
while it's true that toyko is fast, comparatively...the fact is that tsonga does not have the belief to beat djokovic

he had match points, on his worst surface, at his worst slam. didn't take them. does not have the belief in the big moments
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:21 PM   #47
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well, it's mostly true. But Jo could of kept this for himself, no need to make it public. He will make Muzza, Godovic, Kneedal and Fatherer mad.
no need to make it public?

theres every need to do so.

go back to being banned
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well, it's mostly true. But Jo could of kept this for himself, no need to make it public. He will make Muzza, Godovic, Kneedal and Fatherer mad.
I see your point and I do believe that players should speak out but Jo was simply wrong here.
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People trying to deny this is true Not just with officiating but scheduling and other stuff, it's ridiculous how much protection the top 4 players have been getting since the ATP has been promoting the Big 4.

Del Potro won the USO thanks to the Hawk Eye btw, he'd have lost otherwise if all the officials' decisions had stood. Also because he's mentally tough enough to accept those wrong decisions against him, unlike Tsonga who lets it get to his head.
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Top 4? It's more like "The Holy 4".
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It doesn't really matter whether or not it's true. He doesn't have any proof and this is a serious accusation. I don't think it was very smart of him to make such a comment.
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It doesn't really matter whether or not it's true. He doesn't have any proof and this is a serious accusation. I don't think it was very smart of him to make such a comment.
It doesn't matter whether or not 4 players are being benefitted at the expense of everyone else? Can hardly think of anything more relevant.

And good that Jo made such a comment, someone has to. Shame Berdych and especially Ferrer didn't have the balls to do so after getting screwed in the USO semis this year to increase the likelihood of a 'Big 4' final.
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Top 4? It's more like "The Holy 4".
not sure about that but I might be naive . Sure, the media is more interested in top 4 queens, but I don't see top 4 guys getting any special treatment on the court.
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It doesn't matter whether or not 4 players are being benefitted at the expense of everyone else? Can hardly think of anything more relevant.

And good that Jo made such a comment, someone has to. Shame Berdych and especially Ferrer didn't have the balls to do so after getting screwed in the USO semis this year to increase the likelihood of a 'Big 4' final.
Don't be daft.

In this context it doesn't, because he has no proof, or anything else to back it up.
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Scheduling and on-court officiating are two different things. Nadull and the other three are completely separate. Djokovic has cleaned up his delay tactics quite a bit and it's only really Dull that's left. In terms of officiating/umpiring, I don't see any bias AT ALL. Stupid mistakes do not count as bias.
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stronga should bring on his AO 2008 form and stfu.
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The impact of a referee on the result of a tennis match is slim to none.
There are some sports like soccer where a referee's impact could be deadly and 1 bad call can result in an instant loss for the rest of a match or handicap you for the rest of a match. That's not the same for Tennis.

And Tsonga might be right but he's not the one to talk. If he plays against the lower classed players he receives the same treatment too. Sadly that's how sports is. Wether it's soccer, basketball, tennis or any other sport the best players-teams always get special treatment.
The only post needed in this topic. Tsonga should stop being a crybaby choker and start playing tennis.
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Don't be daft.

In this context it doesn't, because he has no proof, or anything else to back it up.
He has had the majority of close calls go against him when facing the top 4, of course he doesn't have any proof that it is premedidated. But should he stay quiet instead of voicing his frustration? Absolutely not.

While there can never be proof, it's something that many tennis fans feel has been going on, so Tsonga backing it like this is definitely relevant.
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That's how he feels, yes. Does that automatically make it true? No.

It won't change anything, anyway. It will probably only make things harder for him. I can't imagine the top 4 or the ATP are going to appreciate his comments. He should stop talking and get back to playing good Tennis.
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disgusting homogenized era, with homogenized top 4, ATP

and they call it tennis...
yes Laver played in a much more varied era with 3 GS on grass
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