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Old 10-08-2012, 07:56 PM   #256
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style wise none of the best players of the most recent generations are like Federer, but talent wise Murray would not be #2
I guess you don't include Nalbandian as the recent generation, but he's the closest thing to Federer stylewise. With a trade-off between serve and backhand.
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That's year-end.
It's still an accurate way of gauging things. Federer is almost at 300 weeks number one, which is almost six years at number one. He has five year end number ones. There is not that much difference between the two. At best Federer would have six years at number one, and at worst five. For the players above him in that table I posted, the same thing can apply.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:24 PM   #258
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It's still an accurate way of gauging things. Federer is almost at 300 weeks number one, which is almost six years at number one. He has five year end number ones. There is not that much difference between the two. At best Federer would have six years at number one, and at worst five. For the players above him in that table I posted, the same thing can apply.
The simple fact that Sampras has 1 more YE#1 with less total weeks at no.1 than Federer shows how dumb that logic is, tbh.
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It's easier to be skilled and talented on the defence than it is on the offence. If you play tennis you can immediately recognise that.
That's the wide gap that separates Federer's talent from Murray's
I'm talking about overall talent. Murray is 2nd only to Federer currently. Federer is way beyond anybody that ever played tennis, so of course Murray's not up to par with him. However, he is the most talented player when you take Federer out of the discussion. Simple as that.
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The simple fact that Sampras has 1 more YE#1 with less total weeks at no.1 than Federer shows how dumb that logic is, tbh.
All year end number one says is that you were the best player for that year. You might be number one for the first ten months of a year, but in the last month the second ranked player could overtake you and take the year end number one. Just because that second ranked player wasn't number one for the duration of the year doesn't take away from his accomplishment.
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All year end number one says is that you were the best player for that year. You might be number one for the first ten months of a year, but in the last month the second ranked player could overtake you and take the year end number one. Just because that second ranked player wasn't number one for the duration of the year doesn't take away from his accomplishment.
That would only make sense as the main comparative statistic if the year end number 1 was basically the only ranking published each year. But it isn't, the YE#1 is an aside.
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I guess you don't include Nalbandian as the recent generation, but he's the closest thing to Federer stylewise. With a trade-off between serve and backhand.
This is correct. Any other active player is as far from David here as himself is from Fed. Still I would give him second place without a doubt.
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I'm talking about overall talent. Murray is 2nd only to Federer currently. Federer is way beyond anybody that ever played tennis, so of course Murray's not up to par with him. However, he is the most talented player when you take Federer out of the discussion. Simple as that.
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I'm talking about overall talent. Murray is 2nd only to Federer currently. Federer is way beyond anybody that ever played tennis, so of course Murray's not up to par with him. However, he is the most talented player when you take Federer out of the discussion. Simple as that.


You cannot be serious. Murray is a very good player thriving in an era where the conditions suit his grinding brand of tennis. In no way is he a mercurial talent like Federer or even remotely close to being the second most talented player on tour

It is enough to say that the aspects he excels at (defense, fitness, return, movement), he's eclipsed by Nadal in all of them except return. Let's not even talk about aspects like his serve or FH, etc...
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You cannot be serious. Murray is a very good player thriving in an era where the conditions suit his grinding brand of tennis. In no way is he a mercurial talent like Federer or even remotely close to being the second most talented player on tour

It is enough to say that the aspects he excels at (defense, fitness, return, movement), he's eclipsed by Nadal in all of them except return. Let's not even talk about aspects like his serve or FH, etc...
His serve is better than Nadal's and his backhand makes Nadal's look pretty silly.

Regarding his talent, he has good touch, feel and slice. There are more talented players, but the conditions mean that Murray's talented facets are rendered pretty useless (besides the low slice on the defensive) and the fitness, return and defensive strength are what today's conditions require to succeed at the top unless the courts get sped up.

Players I'd describe as the most talented on tour include Federer, Nalbandian (as he still hasn't retired), Tsonga, these types.

The conditions of the slams and big tournaments these days mean that there's less of a correlation between talent and results than there ever was.
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The record is tainted by the fact that most of Noserer's weeks at #1 were in a mug era of 2003-2007. With no competition, thrashing slam titans like Baldenko, Hewitt, Roddick and Clownbandian it was very easy for Noserer to dominate the top spot. His competition had no balls, talent, ruthlessness, ambition and the will to be the best. Tells a lot about his supposed dominance when a baby clay courter was his biggest rival in slams. But hey, he is still GOAT amongst his fangirl legion who think beating titans like Drugsquet and Haas in semis of a slam is a massive deal.
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The record is tainted by the fact that most of Noserer's weeks at #1 were in a mug era of 2003-2007. With no competition, thrashing slam titans like Baldenko, Hewitt, Roddick and Clownbandian it was very easy for Noserer to dominate the top spot. His competition had no balls, talent, ruthlessness, ambition and the will to be the best. Tells a lot about his supposed dominance when a baby clay courter was his biggest rival in slams. But hey, he is still GOAT amongst his fangirl legion who think beating titans like Drugsquet and Haas in semis of a slam is a massive deal.
at the end of the day, nobody of any significance feels the same way as you. no one. absolutely no one that has any ounce of credibility in the world of tennis or professional sport as a whole, would back you up on this or your other relentless attacks on "noserer" or his "fangirl legions".

i understand that it's very important for you to feel recognised, but please note that it's possible to respect a player of federer's calibre whilst still acknowledging that you simply prefer nadal's game.

but good lord. i read these boards from time to time, and every thread i go to you're speaking the same thing. are you worried that you're not being noticed? well, you are! much like the child who was crying throughout the film i saw on friday, everyone took note.

you are far too good of a poster and knowledgeable of a tennis fan to resort to such amateur theatrics.
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at the end of the day, nobody of any significance feels the same way as you. no one. absolutely no one that has any ounce of credibility in the world of tennis or professional sport as a whole, would back you up on this or your other relentless attacks on "noserer" or his "fangirl legions".

i understand that it's very important for you to feel recognised, but please note that it's possible to respect a player of federer's calibre whilst still acknowledging that you simply prefer nadal's game.

but good lord. i read these boards from time to time, and every thread i go to you're speaking the same thing. are you worried that you're not being noticed? well, you are! much like the child who was crying throughout the film i saw on friday, everyone took note.

you are far too good of a poster and knowledgeable of a tennis fan to resort to such amateur theatrics.
Well, you have to admire his persistence, no?

I was disappointed when I found out he didn't actually coin the term "noserer".
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