[Filo V.]

Mitt Failney is a lying sociopath. 69% of what he stated during the debate were lies. Obama looked like a fool with his passive, stumbling display, but it was a set-up. Lieney's false statements are ALREADY catching up to him. The Mormon is unelectable.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

Virtually 100% of what Obama said in the 2008 debates are now proven lies. Right Filo? Or is it just a one way thing?

[buddyholly]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

Are you really that simple? You do realize that questions about affairs or suspected affairs are very common motives in criminal cases and that countless people are asked about them under oath? Or do you really think this was some sort of huge exception? I don't get if you were dumb enough to think that was clever or just extremely stupid to even ask that question.

If you can't understand that Clinton committed a felony in public, then there's absolutely no point in continuing discussion. Because you are saying that it's ok to lie under oath about certain things and there's no end to that slope. Clinton not facing trial and continuing to be accepted by any politician just shows how broken the system is.

Of course I realise it. But for me it pales in comparison to Ken Starr spending $70 million of taxpayers' money so that he could get his vicarious kicks by writing long passages describing Clinton's sex life. Passages that had little or nothing to do with the charges, but seemed to fascinate Starr. Starr's repeated leaks to the media should have been cause to stop the whole investigation.

[Filo V.]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

Virtually 100% of what Obama said in the 2008 debates are now proven lies. Right Filo? Or is it just a one way thing?

Obama's had policy failures, partially of his own doing. Not outright lies across the board. No-one really knows what Lieney's policies are.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

Romney can't lie about what he intends to do, because he hasn't enacted and failed with his own ideas. Or totally ignored his promises. Obama has done virtually nothing he promised to do in 2008. And most things he didn't even try. He just said whatever each audience wanted to hear. Do you understand the difference? If Romney is elected and doesn't try to do what he says, then he's a liar. But saying that what he wants to do are lies is just scraping the bottom of the barrel. Especially when you are defending a President who has done exactly this.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

Originally Posted by buddyholly

Of course I realise it. But for me it pales in comparison to Ken Starr spending $70 million of taxpayers' money so that he could get his vicarious kicks by writing long passages describing Clinton's sex life. Passages that had little or nothing to do with the charges, but seemed to fascinate Starr. Starr's repeated leaks to the media should have been cause to stop the whole investigation.

So you don't think the fact that Clinton (allegedly the most powerful man in the world) was proven to be a compulsive liar, a now infamous perjurer and a serial adulterer was not worth an investigation that is a drop in the bucket of the budget? $70 million is nothing compared to what is thrown away.

Do you honestly think that it's ok that he committed a felony in front of the world, wasn't brought to trial and is still a speaker for the political party in power? That's less important than Starr's report. Pfft. Nonsense.

[fast_clay]

clinton is still copping reacharounds from wall st after he oversaw the massive deregulation in the financial sector in the 90's that has resulted in the mess we have today... still taking big money to talk for an hour... rules were created after the great depression with great reason, i don't see how 60 years evolves corruption out of the human race.... obviously clinton did though... fucking clown... then again, the US constitution is treated like toilet paper today by all and sundry... and such a good book...

[fast_clay]

obama did bring change like he promised... just wasn't the change he had in mind... pretty soon every US citizen will have their very own spook... those who don't know what the merging of state and corporation looked like in nazi germany are getting an idea now...

then there's the passing of the sinister NDAA act in the dying hours of new years eve just gone ... it would be enough to lose any president his next term, that is if it were reported on by the mainstream media... but, again, they don't because of the merger of corporation and state... to summise, it is the indefinite detainment of anyone without trial... it is something any yank should be afraid of... if only your brand of the truth differs from the official line they can throw away the key... no trial, no voice... and here's the change that really makes me laugh, to seperate himself from george w., obama campaigned in 2008 on creating an america where journalists were safe to bring truth to light... bush's treatment of whistleblowers was pretty contemptible... obama...? well, his administration has gone a step further - he is now prosecuting them via the Espionage Act, an act which was initially put forward to deal with spies, now used to incarcerate its own citizens with an interest in clarity...

and you know what the sick thing is...? you could still easily argue that obama may still be the lesser of two evils in this election... captain america, you're in terrible shape...

romney won the last debate by the way... obama stuttered like a tourettes sufferer, and a flip flopper is very hard to do battle with... too many angles, most of them false...

[buddyholly]

Originally Posted by Filo V.

Obama's had policy failures, partially of his own doing. Not outright lies across the board. No-one really knows what Lieney's policies are.

What are those lies? I think the voters decided that they do know his policies after the debate. And everyone knows what he did as Governor.

Obama was against gay marriage until he was for it. Obama went to Pastor Wright's church until he didn't go to Pastor Wright's church. His position is whatever it seems it should be at the time.

[Pirata.]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

Obama has done virtually nothing he promised to do in 2008.

[Jimnik]

Obama will still win unfortunately.

[Commander Data]

Originally Posted by Punky

only the americans really know what is best for them

No

[GSMnadal]

Mugbama or Mug Romney. Doesn't matter, but Obama is a much more likeable guy, so let him win please.

[Punky]

Originally Posted by Commander Data

No

so u think that u and me know better what is the best President for the americans then them?

its like i will tell u i know who is the best men in Switzerland to be ur PM/President or u will tell me who is the best person to lead my country.

all is well but only a person who live in a country is the best judge for that.

[Commander Data]

Originally Posted by Punky

so u think that u and me know better what is the best President for the Americans then them?

its like i will tell u i know who is the best men in Switzerland to be ur PM/President or u will tell me who is the best person to lead my country.

all is well but only a person who live in a country is the best judge for that.

I did not say that I know better, I just said that the Americans do not know what is best for them. In general, it seems rather naive to assume that any people know what is best for them or which person will best rule them. Should I start pointing out instances from history were peoples did not know whats good for them? You are from Israel, so i can probably skip that part...

On your interpretation of me post: I definitely have better eduction then the average American who is bombarded by stupid media 24/7, so, forgive me my arrogance, but I do indeed believe, that I know better who would would be a good president.